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Re: The King of the North
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02/16/19 08:03 PM
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Excellent question, Theophilus! Though the question is relevant in relation to the foregoing assertions, the proposition leading to the question is so completely without support that I, for one, can not expend intellectual energy debating it.
"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
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Re: The King of the North
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02/19/19 03:32 AM
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Thus far my study has revealed that Michael pence will be the power that takes out Iran and turns against the covenant (God's covenant and the US Constitution).
I greatly admire your humility. You say, "Thus far, MY STUDY ..." In this, you have demonstrated greater humility that the humblest of men. ///
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Re: The King of the North
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02/19/19 02:28 PM
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OK and BTW, I have no clue who the "us" is you refer to. I am sure few share your belief. The Michael of Dan is also the Michael of Revelation. How about Rev 12:7? Jude v 9? Dan 10:13-21 Are these also also Mike Pence? Yes, much more concise than I demonstrating by replacing Michael Jordan in everything His Child said at 02/15/19 07:02 AM. So I won't bother, as you made a very good point.
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Re: The King of the North
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02/19/19 02:28 PM
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Thus far my study has revealed that Michael pence will be the power that takes out Iran and turns against the covenant (God's covenant and the US Constitution).
I greatly admire your humility. You say, "Thus far, MY STUDY ..." In this, you have demonstrated greater humility that the humblest of men. /// His Child for president!!!
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Re: The King of the North
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02/27/19 02:40 PM
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And not to forget U.S. Secretary of State, Michael R. Pompeo.
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Re: The King of the North
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02/28/19 03:52 AM
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As I read it:
Pence (Michael) stands for his people (Apostate Protestants) He brings in the Mark of the Beast
Just as King Cyrus was named by name Michael Pence is named by name As Michael stand for His people, the counterfeit Michael stands for his people
I am not sure which Bible version you are using and that you have seen Pence's name in; but I cant find his name anywhere in my Bible, and I have over 30 different versions. Nowhere in scripture are we told that any single man could "bring in the mark of the beast." It doesnt work that way. It wont work that way. "The mark" is not something that any human can bring about by human effort. "The mark" cannot be forced on anyone; scripture is clear that "the mark" will be willingly "received" and as such, no one can force it upon us. We can receive something, or we can take something. Theres a big difference. The Bible states the mark will be "received." And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Rev 14:11) Mike Pence does not meet the description: There is one pointed out in prophecy as the man of sin. He is the representative of Satan. Taking the suggestions of Satan concerning the law of God, which is as unchangeable as His throne, this man of sin comes in and represents to the world that he has changed that law, and that the first day of the week instead of the seventh is now the Sabbath. Professing infallibility, he claims the right to change the law of God to suit his own purposes. By so doing, he exalts himself above God, and leaves the world to infer that God is fallible. If it were indeed true that God had made a rule of government that needed to be changed, it would certainly show fallibility. {7BC 910.3}
"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance." "There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8) https://www.lightintheclouds.net/wordSincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit - The Wanderer
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Re: The King of the North
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03/11/19 01:17 PM
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OK and BTW, I have no clue who the "us" is you refer to. I am sure few share your belief. The Michael of Dan is also the Michael of Revelation. How about Rev 12:7? Jude v 9? Dan 10:13-21 Are these also also Mike Pence? I am not disagreeing with you traditional view, but it is not the complete meaning. For every truth of God, Satan has a counterfeit. Some examples that pop out: Sabbath / Sunday Trinity / 3 spirits of frogs death / you won't die (eternal burning hell) examine Daniel 12:1 And at that time <06256> shall Michael <04317> stand up <05975> (8799), the great <01419> prince <08269> which standeth <05975> (8802) for the children <01121> of thy people <05971>: and there shall be <01961> (8738) a time <06256> of trouble <06869>, such as never was since there was a nation <01471> even to that same time <06256>: and at that time <06256> thy people <05971> shall be delivered <04422> (8735), every one that shall be found <04672> (8737) written <03789> (8803) in the book <05612>. Notice how the translators supplemented the text? Was that because they thought Daniel was writing about Michael? If the translators had known that Daniel was writing about Michael as Isaiah had been writing about Cyrus, would they have supplemented the text as they did? Take out the fluff added by the translators and Look at the sequencing: 1) At that time Michael stands, the mighty prince stands for the children of his people: 2) and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: 3) At that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. The counterfeit Michael stands The time of Trouble follows The real Michael delivers His people.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: The King of the North
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03/11/19 01:22 PM
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And not to forget U.S. Secretary of State, Michael R. Pompeo. Are you proposing that Michaels shall stand? Like Michael Pompeo and Michael Pence in opposition to Michael (Christ)?
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: The King of the North
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03/11/19 01:41 PM
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Wanderer, I finally came across your comment. you might consider this EGW quote as well. Through the great powers controlled by paganism and the papacy, symbolized by the dragon and the leopard-like beast, Satan for many centuries destroyed God's faithful witnesses. Under the dominion of Rome, they were tortured and slain for more than a thousand years; but the papacy was at last deprived of its strength, and forced to desist from persecution. [Revelation 13:3, 10.] At that time the prophet beheld a new power coming up, represented by the beast with lamb-like horns. The appearance of this beast and the manner of its rise seem to indicate that the power which it represents is unlike those brought to view under the preceding symbols. The great kingdoms that have ruled the world obtained their dominion by conquest and revolution, and they were presented to the prophet Daniel as beasts of prey, rising when the "four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea." [Daniel 7:2.] But the beast with horns like a lamb is seen "coming up out of the earth;" [Revelation 13:11.] signifying that instead of overthrowing other powers to establish itself, the nation thus represented arose in territory previously unoccupied, and grew up gradually and peacefully. {4SP 276.2} This power, the last that is to wage war against the church and the law of God, was symbolized by a beast with lamblike horns. The beasts preceding it had risen from the sea, but this came up out of the earth, representing the peaceful rise of the nation which is symbolized. The "two horns like a lamb" well represent the character of the United States Government…Republicanism and Protestantism. {ST, November 1, 1899 par. 4} The President of the USA has been trying to rule by decree for some time now. He makes a presidential executive order and it is the law of the land unless overturned by Congress or the courts. Too much thinking inside the box is limiting.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: The King of the North
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03/12/19 02:12 PM
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And not to forget U.S. Secretary of State, Michael R. Pompeo. Are you proposing that Michaels shall stand? Like Michael Pompeo and Michael Pence in opposition to Michael (Christ)? And there was another Michael something I read in the news. I think last name starting with "P". Do you think there's going to be a whole bunch of Michaels standing together, forming an alliance?
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