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Re: The King of the North [Re: kland] #188702
03/12/19 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
And there was another Michael something I read in the news. I think last name starting with "P". Do you think there's going to be a whole bunch of Michaels standing together, forming an alliance?


In My reading of Revelation 13, the 42 months were fulfilled in the endtime as 42 & 2 months, thus the 2 lamblike horns will be fulfilled as 2 & 2 horns. Three of the 2 & 2 (Bush II, Obama, Trump) have come … 2 down with one hanging on by a prayer (and Michael Pence standing by for his time to act waiting in the wings). All the while, Nancy is saying "I don't want to impeach the President" (She is really saying, I don't want to put Michael Pence in the Whitehouse with the incumbent advantage in 2020.) So if you do as Jesus advised "Watch" you will be surprised when events work themselves out.

In Conjunction with Daniel 12:1, logically the last horn of the 2 & 2 on the image beast will be Michael Pence. He is the power that is explained in Daniel 11:30 and beyond.


That is how I understand it at this time. When it happens, events will move quickly. And Judgment will begin at the house of God.


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Re: The King of the North [Re: Rick H] #188703
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Guessing again.


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Re: The King of the North [Re: His child] #188706
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Originally Posted By: His child

In Conjunction with Daniel 12:1, logically the last horn of the 2 & 2 on the image beast will be Michael Pence. He is the power that is explained in Daniel 11:30 and beyond.
But how does Michael R. Pompeo fit into all this? Shouldn't there be 2 & 2 Michaels?

Re: The King of the North [Re: kland] #188708
03/14/19 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: His child

In Conjunction with Daniel 12:1, logically the last horn of the 2 & 2 on the image beast will be Michael Pence. He is the power that is explained in Daniel 11:30 and beyond.
But how does Michael R. Pompeo fit into all this? Shouldn't there be 2 & 2 Michaels?


There are only 2 Michaels identified in Daniel 12:1. The word duo does not appear in this context indicating 2 & 2 Michaels. The duo in Revelation 13 was fulfilled as 42 & 2 months allotted to Pope John-Paul II and thus 2 & 2 applies to the duo horns on the beast with the lamblike horns.

Michael Pence, America's prince of the Protestant Covenant, who will set up the Mark of the Beast after America's economy crashes. He is the counterfeit Michael.

And Michael, Christ whos stands for His people after the Mark of the beast is set up.

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Re: The King of the North [Re: APL] #188709
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Originally Posted By: APL
Guessing again.


Sounds like what some skeptics said to the Adventists in 1844 after they got 1843 wrong.


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Re: The King of the North [Re: Rick H] #188714
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Originally Posted By: henry hills
Sounds like what some skeptics said to the Adventists in 1844 after they got 1843 wrong.
Henry - your prophetic foot is too small. It all appears to be a powerful imagination, all about your tweets, you findings.

I'll look to Jesus.


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Re: The King of the North [Re: His child] #188717
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Originally Posted By: His child

There are only 2 Michaels identified in Daniel 12:1. The word duo does not appear in this context indicating 2 & 2 Michaels. The duo in Revelation 13 was fulfilled as 42 & 2 months allotted to Pope John-Paul II and thus 2 & 2 applies to the duo horns on the beast with the lamblike horns.
But why should you double duo? Duo stands for two, not four. It says, 40 and duo months, not 42 and duo months. Otherwise, why not double 40 and get 80. Wouldn't that be interesting?

Re: The King of the North [Re: His child] #188721
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Originally Posted By: His child

There are only 2 Michaels identified in Daniel 12:1.
There is only ONE Michael in Dan 12:1. Which version are you using my friend?

The hope of resurrection, of the life beyond the darkness of their times, animated the hearts of the Chosen People. In the same way the Apostle Paul refers to it, 1 Cor 15:58. The national resurrection of Israel is without doubt included but the resurrection at the last, when that of the just shall precede that of the unjust by the millennium, is clearly the topic of these wonderful words in Dan 12:1. Daniel’s prophecies were to be sealed, because their entire fulfillment was not to take place for "many days."

A definite time is specified in this verse, but not a particular year or month or day, but a time made definite by the occurrence of a certain event with which it is connected.

"At that time." What time?--The time to which we are brought by the closing verse of the preceding chapter--the time when the king of the north shall plant the tabernacles of his palace in the glorious holy mountain. When this event takes place, he is to come to his end; and then, according to this verse, we look for the standing up of Michael, the great Prince.

The name "Pence" is not mentioned anywhere in Scripture.

"Michael," whatever one says He is, is depicted as "standing up," in this Scripture. What is his standing up?

Michael is called the "archangel" in Jude 1:9. This means the chief angel, or the head over the angels. There is but one. Who is he?--He is the one whose voice is heard from heaven when the dead are raised. (1 Thes 4:16.) Whose voice is heard in connection with that event?--The voice of our Lord Jesus Christ. (John 5:28.) Tracing back the evidence with this fact as a basis, we reach the following conclusion: The voice of the Son of God is the voice of the Archangel; the Archangel, then, must be the Son of God. But the Archangel is called Michael; hence Michael must be the name given to the Son of God. The expression in verse 1, "the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people," is sufficient alone to identify the one here spoken of as the Saviour of men. He is the "Prince of life," and "a Prince and a Saviour." Acts 3:15; Acts 5:31. He is the great Prince.

Jesus is the only One capable of deliverance at such a time as this. (in Dan 12:1). No US President is needed or mentioned for this Bible prophecy.

"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." (Dan 12:1)

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Re: The King of the North [Re: APL] #188729
03/15/19 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: henry hills
Sounds like what some skeptics said to the Adventists in 1844 after they got 1843 wrong.
Henry - your prophetic foot is too small. It all appears to be a powerful imagination, all about your tweets, you findings.

I'll look to Jesus.



APL,


If that is how you choose to frame those things that the LORD has been pleased to allow me to understand, so be it.


But the historical record tells of a group of people that are in the Sanctuary worshiping at the throne of Christ. He rises and moves into the Most Holy place. Some follow Him there and others stay in the Holy place and continue to worship a being that assumes the seat that Christ has left.

Those that followed the light stayed close to Christ. Those that refused to move when the light moved, were in darkness while they thought that they were being blessed by God.

There are those in Laodicea that think that they are rich since they have the Bible, the Spirit of prophecy, the Sabbath, and a correct understanding of the love of God so much so that they have need of nothing and they will not hear Christ's warning that they are poor, miserable, wretched, blind and naked.

So as you follow Jesus, be sure that you are following Jesus and not being self-satisfied with a presumption that will not stand the test that is soon to divide those that follow Christ from those that assume that they are standing for Him and with HIm.


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Re: The King of the North [Re: kland] #188730
03/15/19 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
But why should you double duo? Duo stands for two, not four. It says, 40 and duo months, not 42 and duo months. Otherwise, why not double 40 and get 80. Wouldn't that be interesting?


That is a great question.

When I understood that EGW identified Pope Pius VI as the one that received the deadly wound, I understood that a pope was a head on the papal beast of Revelation 13. Pope John-Paul II was the head that is (cf Revelation 17) and that was wounded and received the healing of his deadly wound.

From Daniel 7:17 I had learned that the 4 sea beasts were foreshadowing the 4 earth kings that heaven was explaining. Thus I learned that Reagan, Bush I, Clinton were the lion, bear, and leopard in the endtime. Those are the features that Revelation 13 has bonding with the head that was healed (John-Paul II). And the season and time of Daniel 7:11-12 align with 91 years. Reagan was in his 91st year when the tragedy of 9/11/01 struck.

From 9/11/01 to 4/2/05 (the day pope John-Paul II died) there were 42 full months. Oct, Nov, Dec 2001 (3); 12 each in 2002, 2003, 2004 (36); and Jan, Feb, Mar 2005 (3) = 42 full months. But there was some time remaining that had not been accounted for (19 days in September 2001 and 2 days in April 2005= 21 days left over after the 42 months).

The Bible writers used the Hebrew calendar. when the Hebrew calendar is compared to 9/11/01 to 4/2/05, it is exactly 42 & 2 months to the very day. So if the Bible is saying 42 months, why was the prophecy fulfilled in 42 & 2 months? Look at the words in the prophecy.

40 is 40 every time that it is used in the Bible. But 2 (duo) is two, twice, both, etc. But in Luke 10:1 duo is expanded.

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<1161> After <3326> these things <5023> the Lord <2962> appointed <322> (5656) other <2087> seventy <1440> also <2532>, and <2532> sent <649> (5656) them <846> two <303> and two <1417> before <4253> his <846> face <4383> into <1519> every <3956> city <4172> and <2532> place <5117>, whither <3757> (5625) <3739> he himself <846> would <3195> (5707) come <2064> (5738). Luke 10:1


303 is ana that means by and 1417 is duo that means two.
Jesus sent them by twos.

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And after these things, the Lord appointed seventy two[a] others, and sent them out ahead of His presence two by two, to every city and place where He Himself was going to go. Luke 10:1 Disciples’ Literal New Testament


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Later on the Lord commissioned seventy other disciples and sent them off in twos as advance-parties into every town and district where he intended to go. J.B. Phillips New Testament


Duo is 2 by [ana] 2, 2 and [ana] 2, by [ana] twos. The ana is by or and. But the duo is 2 twice in Luke 10:1 and that fits the prophecy about Pope John-Paul II perfectly. He died 42 & 2 months to the day on the Hebrew calendar from 9/11/01 to 4/2/05.

Originally Posted By: EGW
The prophecies of Daniel and of John are to be understood. They interpret each other. They give to the world truths which every one should understand. These prophecies are to be witness in the world. By their fulfilment in these last days, they will explain themselves. {KC 105.2}


The fulfilment of the 42 months in Revelation 13:5 as 42 & 2 explains how duo is to be interpreted in 13:11

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And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two [2 & 2] horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.


Those horns are Presidents: Bush II, Obama, Trump, AND Pence.

While I was still learning, I counted duo as 2 and could only follow Revelation 13 to President Obama. Thus, I saw him as horn 2 and Trump as a fluke that I could not understand unless he was to be in office for less than a year. Now it is clear that the prophecy is explaining itself and that knowledge has increased.

That is the way I read it and I am studying with prayer and seeking fact checkers to be sure that the facts are right.

That is the only reason that I have remained on this group so long. Though the feedback is generally negative and skeptical, some great question pop up from time to time that make me reexamine the studies and look at things that I might have missed. And Daryl is not one that tries to stifle discussion, but one that lets the conversation examine the facets that arise knowing that truth will prevail.
We have God's word on it:

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And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.(Jeremiah 29:13)


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