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Re: The Sign of Jonah in This Generation
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05/14/19 03:57 AM
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In my study of evening...morning, I now see the three days.
Jesus was berried Friday=on Day 1 The evening and morning= Sabbath, Day 2 And the evening and morning= Sunday, Day 3
I never really looked at it that way before. He was taken into captivity Thursday evening = Friday: evening and morning.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Sign of Jonah in This Generation
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05/14/19 01:58 PM
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Matthew Henry late 17th century Nonconformist minister, author of one of the best imo Bible commentaries, commenting on the sign of Jonah states: He [Jesus] continued in the grave just as long as Jonah continued in the fish's belly, three days and three nights; not three whole days and nights: it is probable, Jonah did not lie so long in the whale's belly, but part of three natural days (nuchthēmerai, the Greeks called them); he was buried in the afternoon of the sixth day of the week, and rose again in the morning of the first day; it is a manner of speech very usual; see 1Ki_20:29; Est_4:16; Est_5:1; Luk_2:21. So long Jonah was a prisoner for his own sins, so long Christ was a Prisoner for ours. [3.] As Jonah in the whale's belly comforted himself with an assurance that yet he should look again toward God's holy temple (Jon_2:4), so Christ when he lay in the grave, is expressly said to rest in hope, as one assured he should not see corruption, Act_2:26, Act_2:27. [4.] As Jonah on the third day was discharged from his prison, and came to the land of the living again, from the congregation of the dead (for dead things are said to be formed from under the waters, Job_26:5), so Christ on the third day should return to life, and rise out of his grave to send abroad the gospel to the Gentiles. Henry solves the three days and nights problem by saying that the meaning in Greek does not require three full days and he backs that up with other scripture where the reckoning of time is inclusive. So I take it back that three days and nights has to be a full 72 or 84 hours. Not knowing Greek, I take it on Henry's word that this expression should not be taken literally in our language because the expression in the original doesn't bear it. I'm also reconsidering whether the sign of Jonah applies to the future in the death and ressurection of the Two Witnesses. Whether it does or not, this event is one of the greatest of end-time signs being a mirror of the greatest sign of Christ to the unbelieving Jews, His Resurrection after three days in the tomb. We should watch carefully for this particular event. It is one of the great prophetic waymarks.
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Re: The Sign of Jonah in This Generation
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05/14/19 06:12 PM
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Wonder why Jesus had to spend any amount of time in grave? To prove He was truly dead? To rest on the Sabbath? Why not die and then come back to life right away?
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Re: The Sign of Jonah in This Generation
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05/15/19 08:19 AM
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Wonder why Jesus had to spend any amount of time in grave? To prove He was truly dead? To rest on the Sabbath? Why not die and then come back to life right away? Christ's grave experience is a prophecy of sorts as it also fulfilled prophecy. The Day for a year principle in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection foreshadows the 3 years from 1798 to 1800 to confirm that the papacy had indeed fulfilled 1260-year prophecy. It too reigned 1260 years as Christ had ministered 1260 days before ending His ministry As Christ died on Friday, the papacy received the deadly wound in 1798. As Christ rested in His tomb during the Sabbath, there was no pope for much of 1799. And as Christ arose on Sunday, a new pope was installed in 1800 (the first year of the new century). The sign of Jonah was given to us to know that God's word is sure.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: The Sign of Jonah in This Generation
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05/15/19 12:10 PM
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Wonder why Jesus had to spend any amount of time in grave? To prove He was truly dead? To rest on the Sabbath? Why not die and then come back to life right away? Christ's grave experience is a prophecy of sorts as it also fulfilled prophecy. . . The sign of Jonah was given to us to know that God's word is sure. It is interesting that the ministry of Christ follows the same pattern of the Two Witnesses - 3.5 years of ministry followed by 3 days in the tomb (3.5 days in the case of the Two Witnesses.) And as you point out there is also the 1260 day prophecy. In that case, the 3.5 days were the final 3.5 year period from 1793 to 1796 towards the close of the 1260 days that ended in 1798. That could be the template for the future fulfillment but since the Lord's ministry is a closer match to the ministry of the Two Witnesses, and since the sign of Jonah came at the very end of His ministry, I'd say it's more likely that the slaying and resurrection of the Two Witnesses in the future will be, like Christ's death and resurrection, not during the close but at the close of their ministry.
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Re: The Sign of Jonah in This Generation
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05/15/19 09:50 PM
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The misunderstanding of the three days and three nights, in my view, comes from an incorrect interpretation--not of the days and nights, but of the meaning of "the heart of the earth." To what, in Bible prophecy and symbolism, would this phrase refer? Note that it does NOT say "in death" or anything like it. Jonah was far from dead in the belly of the whale--so one has no support for the death interpretation from that parallel.
The Greek word "γῆ" translated as "earth" (G1093) was also often translated as "land" and occasionally as "country." To be in the "heart" of a land or country where would one be? Jesus was under the power of the authorities beginning Thursday evening in the Garden of Gethsemane when He was arrested. It was also in the Garden just prior to His arrest where He began to bear the weight of the sins of all the world as the Sacrificial Lamb.
Jesus was taken into "the heart of the earth (land)," meaning into the control of the authorities of that land, Thursday night (the evening of the sixth day). He was crucified on Friday (the morning of the sixth day). He was buried just before the Sabbath started on Friday evening. He rested on the Sabbath (evening and morning of the seventh day). He remained in the tomb after Sabbath, beginning with the evening of the first day and including part of the morning of the first day when He raised Himself from the dead.
He was in the heart of the earth for parts of a literal three days and three nights (evenings).
EDIT: I forgot to add that as part of the "heart of the earth," the authorities held Jesus under their power even while He was in the grave. They commissioned soldiers to guard it. When He came forth from the grave, they were exposed to His glory and fell back as dead--ending the time under which Jesus had been within their power.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
Last edited by Green Cochoa; 05/15/19 09:56 PM. Reason: Added additional explanation
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The Sign of Jonah in This Generation
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05/15/19 10:01 PM
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The misunderstanding of the three days and three nights, in my view, comes from an incorrect interpretation--not of the days and nights, but of the meaning of "the heart of the earth." To what, in Bible prophecy and symbolism, woulyd this phrase refer? Note that it does NOT say "in death" or anything like it. Jonah was far from dead in the belly of the whale--so one has no support for the death interpretation from that parallel.
The Greek word "γῆ" translated as "earth" (G1093) was also often translated as "land" and occasionally as "country." To be in the "heart" of a land or country where would one be? Jesus was under the power of the authorities beginning Thursday evening in the Garden of Gethsemane when He was arrested. It was also in the Garden just prior to His arrest where He began to bear the weight of the sins of all the world as the Sacrificial Lamb.
Jesus was taken into "the heart of the earth (land)," meaning into the control of the authorities of that land, Thursday night (the evening of the sixth day). He was crucified on Friday (the morning of the sixth day). He was buried just before the Sabbath started on Friday evening. He rested on the Sabbath (evening and morning of the seventh day). He remained in the tomb after Sabbath, beginning with the evening of the first day and including part of the morning of the first day when He raised Himself from the dead.
He was in the heart of the earth for parts of a literal three days and three nights (evenings).
EDIT: I forgot to add that as part of the "heart of the earth," the authorities held Jesus under their power even while He was in the grave. They commissioned soldiers to guard it. When He came forth from the grave, they were exposed to His glory and fell back as dead--ending the time under which Jesus had been within their power.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
This is a complete fabrication. Absolute speculation and invention.
"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
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Re: The Sign of Jonah in This Generation
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05/16/19 11:27 AM
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Wonder why Jesus had to spend any amount of time in grave? To prove He was truly dead? To rest on the Sabbath? Why not die and then come back to life right away? Those are excellent and top-notch questions. I salute you tremendously for asking them. First of all He HAD to die. We know that because He was made in the likeness of man under sin, and if under sin, then was subject to our judgment. However, and this is the interesting part. I want you to brace yourself for this because it is mind-blowing! He never sinned! The question then became a matter of reward. What do you do with a man who from birth until death, never sinned? He died, yes! And his fate was sealed upon death, yes! And his life record was one of unflinching faithfulness! He was a VERY special case before God. And so He was made to lie in the grave (to show that He had died like any man) but was resurrected before corruption (to show that he had not sinned). It was as if He fell asleep (just His flesh and blood were sacrificed; not one of His bones was broken). And having risen, continued on forever! As He Himself said, "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." Rev. 1:18 ///
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Re: The Sign of Jonah in This Generation
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05/17/19 12:47 AM
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GC, nice work. Makes sense.
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Re: The Sign of Jonah in This Generation
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05/17/19 12:50 AM
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James, good points. However, why so long in the grave? How does Jonah fit?
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