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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #189899
06/29/19 02:36 AM
06/29/19 02:36 AM
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It's quite true that the Israelites ate meat,
and yes, Jesus ate fish (and probably lamb, as well) He even provided fish for others to eat.

But we shouldn't imply that God told them they had to eat meat every day.
What those texts refer to is that certain sacrifices were to be eaten by the priests. Their eating of the meat had symbolic meaning as well as providing meat for the priestly groups serving their "shift" in the temple, and who had no "heritage" of land like the rest of Israel. So yes, during their shift they would eat meat every day

The second set of verses refer to the people, who were told they could not eat certain animals -- like the first born of their flocks because they were the Lords, and certain things were to be eaten ONLY in desecrated places and shared with the Levites, again because they had no land inheritance., . But the people were free to eat any of the rest of their animals of their flock, or deer meat, etc., if they "lusted" after meat. God did not prohibited the Israelites from eating meat.


WHY I DO NOT EAT MEAT

1. The quality of meat (especially meat from the market) is questionable. It tends to be filled with hormones, antibiotics, and other chemicals as well as with disease.
2. The production of the meat found in the market, in majority of situations, is horrendously cruel to the animals.
3. The above is true for the production of eggs as well. Unless you have some chickens in your back yard, or your neighbor has some chickens and is willing to share the eggs, , most eggs you buy from the market come from chickens who never see the light of day but are crowded into tiny pens, often stacked three high, where they can't even stretch their wings, Their whole lives is one of torturous existence.
4. While fish have high levels of Omega 3, thus for some people low in that nutrient, they can be quite beneficial, BUT, fish are known to have high concentrations of mercury and other pollutants that can have very detrimental effects.
5. Meat was not part of the original diet -- eating meat requires DEATH and slaughter, and eating dead animals just does NOT appeal to me.

S0 -- what may have been OK for the Israelites is not so OK any more.

Also -- if Green had a medical condition that nutrients in eggs fixed -- that's fine, I have no problem with that.
Healthy eating is about doing what works best for our individual bodies --


But this issue that assigns "cognitive impairment" to vegetarians is a very judgmental and not based on the full facts . I know 90 year olds, who have been strict vegans (no meat, eggs or milk) for over 30 years, who live on garden grown fruit and vegetables, and some nuts and beans, who are bright and sharp as people half their age. While many others of that age and even much younger, who ate lots of eggs and meat are in old folks homes suffering from dementia and can't even recognize their own family members..
Personally, I believe the odds for living a long and productive life are greater for the vegetarians, than for heavy meat, eggs, milk consumers. And it seems studies have shown this to be true.

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #189902
06/29/19 08:38 AM
06/29/19 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dedication
Also -- if Green had a medical condition that nutrients in eggs fixed -- that's fine, I have no problem with that.
Healthy eating is about doing what works best for our individual bodies --


While I appreciate the latitude exhibited here, I would caution that the "medical condition" you attribute to me should not be termed such. It is more of a "human condition." Mrs. White indicates that it is a "very small minority" of people who can cope without milk or eggs.

Just today at church, unexpectedly, I encountered two people with likely B12 deficiency. Both eat meat. The first, a lady, told me she eats chicken maybe three times a week. She has some fish as well, perhaps a little more often. On account of her ailments, she even had gone and gotten an MRI, which showed some weakening in one of her discs between two of her cervical vertebrae. The doctors were content to leave it at that, but when she described her symptoms to me, I knew it went beyond that. She was experiencing some tingling and numbness in her hands--that could possibly be related to pinched nerves in her spine. But her other symptoms aligned more with B12 deficiency: fatigue, depression, forgetfulness, loss of appetite, reduced sense of smell and taste, some vertigo. And a mitigating factor: she may be suffering from stomach ulcers. Her doctor has advised she eat regular meals, without skipping. I reinforced that advice for her. A weak stomach, regardless of diet, will definitely contribute to reduced uptake of vitamin B12. She may send me a photo of her blood test that would help me confirm if she is deficient in B12. I want to see, particularly, her MCV and homocysteine levels, as these are useful flags for B12.

After talking with her, only half an hour later another person came up and asked me for advice about his own ailments. As far as I know, he knew nothing of my earlier conversation with the woman. His symptoms were much like hers, however, with the exception that he did not complain about any issues with his cervical discs, only that he was experiencing pains in his back, and in his sides. I wrote out the same information for him that I had just given the woman.

I guess we need more health education over here. Many of these people really are behind in coming to know the wonderful truths American Adventists are privileged to enjoy. There's just so much that needs to be said, and so little opportunity to say it all! If only we had more of Ellen White's books translated and available in the local language.

God bless,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: James Peterson] #189903
06/29/19 09:39 AM
06/29/19 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by James Peterson
 
  • Veganism is a far eastern Hindu dietary philosophy and is usually practiced along with yoga among its strongest adherents and evangelists.
     
  • But when God brought Israel unto Himself into the Promised Land, He told them to EAT MEAT EVERY DAY!
     
  • The disciples were NOT vegetarians.
     
  • And most damnably for those who preach on the rooftops that one ought to be, JESUS CHRIST WAS NOT A VEGETARIAN.
     
  • Perhaps the reason why vegans don't see that is because they have been hit hard with cognitive impairment; which only proves all the more and conclusively that one needs the proper vitamins from natural sources and not from popping pills.


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I would refer you to https://whiteestate.org/legacy/issues-vegetarian-html/

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Rick H] #189904
06/29/19 12:35 PM
06/29/19 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick H

I would refer you to the following quotes by dedication just above you which are more succinct, true and definitely biblical:

Originally Posted by dedication

  • It's quite true that the Israelites ate meat, and yes, Jesus ate fish (and probably lamb, as well) He even provided fish for others to eat.
     
  • Their eating of the meat had symbolic meaning as well as providing meat for the priestly groups serving their "shift" in the temple, and who had no "heritage" of land like the rest of Israel. So yes, during their shift they would eat meat every day
     
  • The second set of verses refer to the people, who were told they could not eat certain animals -- like the first born of their flocks because they were the Lords, and certain things were to be eaten ONLY in desecrated places and shared with the Levites, again because they had no land inheritance., . But the people were free to eat any of the rest of their animals of their flock, or deer meat, etc.,


See how lovely, well, beautifully, adeptly and with so few words, dedication expressed himself with Bible-based thoughts ALONE? Why not follow his commendable example of sola scriptura?

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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: dedication] #189905
06/29/19 12:59 PM
06/29/19 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dedication
WHY I DO NOT EAT MEAT

1. The quality of meat (especially meat from the market) is questionable. It tends to be filled with hormones, antibiotics, and other chemicals as well as with disease.
2. The production of the meat found in the market, in majority of situations, is horrendously cruel to the animals.
3. The above is true for the production of eggs as well. Unless you have some chickens in your back yard, or your neighbor has some chickens and is willing to share the eggs, , most eggs you buy from the market come from chickens who never see the light of day but are crowded into tiny pens, often stacked three high, where they can't even stretch their wings, Their whole lives is one of torturous existence.
4. While fish have high levels of Omega 3, thus for some people low in that nutrient, they can be quite beneficial, BUT, fish are known to have high concentrations of mercury and other pollutants that can have very detrimental effects.
5. Meat was not part of the original diet -- eating meat requires DEATH and slaughter, and eating dead animals just does NOT appeal to me.

S0 -- what may have been OK for the Israelites is not so OK any more.

Also -- if Green had a medical condition that nutrients in eggs fixed -- that's fine, I have no problem with that.
Healthy eating is about doing what works best for our individual bodies --


But this issue that assigns "cognitive impairment" to vegetarians is a very judgmental and not based on the full facts . I know 90 year olds, who have been strict vegans (no meat, eggs or milk) for over 30 years, who live on garden grown fruit and vegetables, and some nuts and beans, who are bright and sharp as people half their age. While many others of that age and even much younger, who ate lots of eggs and meat are in old folks homes suffering from dementia and can't even recognize their own family members..
Personally, I believe the odds for living a long and productive life are greater for the vegetarians, than for heavy meat, eggs, milk consumers. And it seems studies have shown this to be true.



  • IF that is your choice to NOT eat what God has provided (See 1 Timothy 4:1-5), well then, that is your choice. Jesus said, "Are you also still without understanding? Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man." Mat. 15:16-18 Much later, Paul would refer to this saying, "I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean." Rom. 14:14
     
  • Some people can eat sweet, others can't because of some health condition. Some can eat salt, others can't. The Hebrews ate sheep, the Egyptians considered it an abomination. The Gentiles in the days of Moses ate strangled meat which God said should be given to them to eat; but the Hebrews considered it abominable. In short, "the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." Rom. 14:17
     
  • Furthermore, to say that one does not eat meat because of contamination and what-not in the "manufacturing process" is sheer hypocrisy given that vegetables are stuffed with fertilizers and chemical sprays and genetically modified strands for longer and longer shelf-lives. So all the self-righteous protestations only sound Pharisaical: straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.
     
  • By the way, "... these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." Jesus Christ, Mark 16:17-18


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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: James Peterson] #189906
06/29/19 04:23 PM
06/29/19 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by James Peterson
Originally Posted by Rick H

I would refer you to the following quotes by dedication just above you which are more succinct, true and definitely biblical:

Originally Posted by dedication

  • It's quite true that the Israelites ate meat, and yes, Jesus ate fish (and probably lamb, as well) He even provided fish for others to eat.
     
  • Their eating of the meat had symbolic meaning as well as providing meat for the priestly groups serving their "shift" in the temple, and who had no "heritage" of land like the rest of Israel. So yes, during their shift they would eat meat every day
     
  • The second set of verses refer to the people, who were told they could not eat certain animals -- like the first born of their flocks because they were the Lords, and certain things were to be eaten ONLY in desecrated places and shared with the Levites, again because they had no land inheritance., . But the people were free to eat any of the rest of their animals of their flock, or deer meat, etc.,


See how lovely, well, beautifully, adeptly and with so few words, dedication expressed himself with Bible-based thoughts ALONE? Why not follow his commendable example of sola scriptura?

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Because we know that todays meats and fish have been contaminated in many ways, so need to understand what we have today is not what was then.

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #189907
06/29/19 05:25 PM
06/29/19 05:25 PM
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So are your vegetables and grains. You must NOT be eating anything at all. And how about stuff in the water? You must NOT be drinking too.

There was once a man who mashed an ant and cried very loudly. When they asked him why, he looked very solemn and said, "I felt guilty! I can't help it. I just feel ...... so guilty!"

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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #189930
07/01/19 04:15 PM
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James, do you think we should eat the best available?

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #189931
07/01/19 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Cochoa
Just today at church, unexpectedly, I encountered two people with likely B12 deficiency.
I'm glad you are able to properly diagnose people in person.
Whereas here, you seem to claim anyone has a B12 deficiency who disagrees with you....

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #189932
07/01/19 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kland
James, do you think we should eat the best available?

That's not what Paul said. Here's what he said, "the kingdom of God is NOT eating and drinking, BUT righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. For he who serves Christ in these things (righteousness and peace and joy) is acceptable to God and approved by men." Rom. 14:17-18

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