And if President Trump does not fall in 2019, and that President Pence will be in office in 2019, then we say that by faith we believed that, and the facts do not really matter.

Facts, such as:
His child, do you still believe Obama will come back into Presidency? Is that after Pence?

the obsession over prophecy has driven some men to such distraction that they appear like a hermit who had locked himself in a cave for so long that, upon coming out, asks to burrow a generator, a turntable and a pat boone vinyl... whereupon they look upon him and lol

Dear Brother Daryl,

If you better understood what you posted, you would be blessed and more of a blessing to others.

How does Ellen White define "definite time"? How does she use it? Are you implying that she meant something other than "the definite time of Christ's Advent"? There will not be another message about the definite time of Christ's Advent. But the times in "Revelation are not mystical or unintelligible" they have meaning that is being clouded by traditional reinterpretations of EGW's writings.

I have made great efforts to read posts on this forum and refrain from commenting, because of the skepticism that is so strong where faith is needed. But I will not have your blood on my conscience. I sent this note to a brother this morning. It is my current understanding about time setting. That which is most needed at this hour is being trampled in the dust while Satan gloats of his success in keeping God's professed children in darkness.

I learned about the formation of image beast by studying the beast, papacy...

1. The Western Roman Emperor was deposed prior to 508 AD.
2.Then 2 kings are plucked up in the WRE (Western Roman Empire) and there was a political assassination.
3.Then the 3rd King was killed in 538 AD.
4. Deposing the Shah in the area once part of the ERE (Eastern Roman Empire) parallels the fall of the WRE.
5.Assassination of president of Pakistan in the remnants of the ERE
6. Then leaders in Afghanistan and Iraq were plucked up.
7. Iran's leader is next to fall
8. I have been reading the Bible to say that Iran would attack America's fleet in the Persian gulf
Sabbath Iran was accused of attacking Saudi Arabia's oil refinery.

Regarding my views expressed about 2019. I am continuing to study Bible prophecy.
Israel was officially recognized by the US in 1950 (not 1949 as I had initially thought).
Thus, the 70 years allotted to Israel end, not as I suspected in 2019, but in 2020.
And America (Obama) set up Abomination that desolates on 9/20/2016
when he took away the need of Christ's sacrifice and oblation.
Thus, Counting from 9/20/2016 the 1290 days (Daniel 12:11) will end Thursday, April 2, 2020
when the National Sunday Law should come.

"And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,
[there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days" (Daniel 12:11).

From 29 September 2019 through 2 April 2020, I expect to see chaos like the world has never seen.
Brothers and sisters in Christ would do well to study the facts with me rather than to
wallow in doubt and skepticism!
The last events will be rapid ones
And those who wait and see like the antediluvians that waited for the rain to fall
will not be ready when those events described in Bible prophecy are upon us.

I have sounded the warning, listened to the skeptics, and wept for God's people.
I do not know what else God would have me to do.

Christian regards,

Guess I'm not familiar with that use.

From other posts:
(Which I thought Pence was going to stand for his people.), but what do you mean by the Savior standing? Maybe you should say what you think is Christ's "Advent".

"reinterpretations of EGW's writings."
Yes, it would be good to read her writings IN CONTEXT, instead of all the ever changing "reinterpretations" of prophecy of both her writings and scripture.


No, not implying -- but directly reading from her writings that she meant all the events following 1844, leading up to Christ's Advent as well as the Advent itself were not to be linked with "definite time"..


I plainly stated at the Jackson camp meeting to these fanatical parties that they were doing the work of the adversary of souls; they were in darkness. They claimed to have great light that probation would close in October, 1884. I there stated in public that the Lord had been pleased to show me that there would be no definite time in the message given of God since 1844.?Selected Messages 2:73 (1885).

Our position has been one of waiting and watching, with no time-proclamation to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the time of our Lord's coming.?Manuscript Releases 10:270 (1888).

The people will not have another message upon definite time. After this period of time [Revelation 10:4-6], reaching from 1842 to 1844, there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic time. The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844.?The S.D.A. Bible Commentary 7:971 (1900).

During the past forty-five years, I have had to meet persons claiming to have from God messages of reproof to others. This phase of religious fanaticism has sprung up again and again since 1844. Satan has worked in many ways to establish error. Some things spoken in these visions came to pass; but many things?in regard to the time of Christ?s coming, the end of probation, and the events to take place?proved utterly false, as your prophesyings and Anna?s have done. Yet they would try to excuse the blunders by twisting the statements about, and giving them another meaning, and go on in the same way, deceiving and being deceived. {2SM 75.2}

The preaching of a definite time for the judgment, in the giving of the first message, was
ordered by God. The computation of the prophetic periods on which that message was based,
placing the close of the 2300 days in the autumn of 1844, stands without impeachment. The
repeated efforts to find new dates for the beginning and close of the prophetic periods, and the
unsound reasoning necessary to sustain these positions, not only lead minds away from the
present truth, but throw contempt upon all efforts to explain the prophecies. (GC457)

From the light that the Lord has been pleased to give me, you are in danger of doing the same work presenting before others truths which have had their place and done their specific work for the time, in the history of the faith of the people of God. You recognize these facts in Bible history as true, but apply them to the future. They have their force still in their proper place, in the chain of events that have made us as a people what we are today, and as such, they are to be presented to those who are in the darkness of error?But the voices do not cease to be heard ? ?This is truth. I have new light.? But these new lights in prophetic lines are manifest in misapplying the Word and setting the people of God adrift without an anchor to hold them. If the student of the Word would take the truths which God has revealed in the leadings of His people, and appropriate these truths, digest them, and bring them into their practical life, they would then be living channels of light. But those who have set themselves to study out new theories, have a mixture of truth and error combined,( 2SM 101-104)

There will always be false and fanatical movements made by persons in the church who claim to be led of God, those who will run before they are sent, and will give day and date for the occurrence of unfulfilled prophecy. The enemy is pleased to have them do this. 2 Selected Messages, 84.

Her writings are so plain on this point.

The counsel is clear:

Let all our brethren and sisters beware of anyone who would set a time for the Lord to fulfill His Word in regard to His coming, or in regard to any other promise He has made of special significance. Testimonies to Ministers, 55.

i like that point that you made there. that's a VERY true saying and worthy of repetition. of all the things you've said, after the minor things have been sifted out, what remains in the sieve is true and sensible. and that statement certainly remains.

His child, if Trump is still in office Jan 1, and neither Pence nor Obama are president, what will you conclude?