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Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: Rick H] #191138
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The woman that rides the Beast has all the identifying features of who is this entity. We find much in the Bible, a woman represents a church:

I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman (Jeremiah 6:2).

Isaiah the prophet extends the symbol of a woman to that of a bride. The pure bride represents the pure Church:

For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee (Isaiah 62:5).

Hosea describes the union of God and His people:

And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies (Hosea 2:19).

The same symbolism is employed in the New Testament:

...for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ (2 Corinthians 11:2)

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish (Ephesians 5:25-27).

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready (Revelation 19:7).

This beautiful picture of Christ and His Bride, the Church, is marred by the image of a church, ?With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication , and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication ? (Revelation 17:2).

There is the only one church on earth that fulfills these identifiers of the woman called Babylon in Revelation 17. The description of Babylon given in the book of Revelation clearly identifies Babylon as this antichrist power that persecuted the true believers and has let corruption in and has reached across the world. Because of this church's deviations from the Bible, the Protestants of the Reformation and after, referred to the church with a mere man who claims the power of God on earth, as spiritual Babylon.

Continuing with Revelation 17:
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

I think we can all agree that both Daniel and Revelation identifies kings and or kingdoms with prophetic beasts. The prophecy is given from the time of the sixth beast, kingdom, or mountain, for five have fallen when given. The beast that was, is not, and yet is, is the seventh beast of biblical prophecy foretold in Rev 13, as the resurrected beast who received a deadly wound which heals. It is the seventh and final beast of biblical prophecy which is the resurrected Holy Roman Empire on a global scale. It is said to be an eighth and one of the seven because it looked like it received a blow from Napoleons general that took away its temporal power and seemed to have taken down completely as a religious power, but it recovers from this deadly wound. The Church of Rome alone can fill this unique position.

Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: Rick H] #191139
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Now the origin of all this has always been the dragon or Satan and it has been there since the start of these kingdoms/beasts.

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Now as to Antichrist power that receives the deadly would, need to look more closely at little horn beast in Daniel 7:

Daniel 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This is also a reference to:

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Continuing to follow the trail of seven heads and ten horns in the Bible leads us also to the beast in Revelation 17, the same beast destroyed in Revelation 19:20 as we have just seen.

Revelation 17:
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

So you contrast this woman with the woman found in Revelation 12 which represents the righteous church of believers that brought forth Jesus and is described in admirable terms. Its clear this symbolic woman described here in Revelation 17, is the apostate church. There is only one Christian church that is self-described as the Mother church, and arose from the declining Roman Empire and persecuted the true believers. Its not hard to figure out that this is the Papacy.

Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: Rick H] #191144
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A harlot thus represents a false apostate church and in Revelation 17:5, this harlot is identified as Babylon the Great. Revelation 17 gives us a glimpse of what Babylon will be like. Using prophetic language, it describes a woman who rejects God with her whole being:

And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH (Revelation 17:4-5).


The beast being the same beast as in Rev 13 is the papacy. The woman riding the beast is not the papacy riding itself. She is not identified as MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. The woman is apostate Protestantism. The name on her head is the mark of the beast. It is like wearing a ball cap with you favorite team's name on it. You are not an Astro simply because your favorite team's name is on your cap.


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Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: Rick H] #191145
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Now the origin of all this has always been the dragon or Satan and it has been there since the start of these kingdoms/beasts.
...

Now as to Antichrist power that receives the deadly would, need to look more closely at little horn beast in Daniel 7:

...

Revelation 17:
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration...


This post was a great chain of prophetic nonsense. The Scriptures that were put together in this post do not belong together. The first beast in Rev 13 is the papacy. The 7 heads of the healed post-1929 papacy are the pius head through Benedict XVI (who ruled for a short space by Babylonian custom 29 March 2006 thru 28 February 2013) a day and a month short of 7 years (a day and a month short of completeness). Thus, the prophetic hour for the seven kings (83 years 4 months) was from 14 October 1929 thru 14 February 2013.

I appreciate your efforts, but the endtime meaning of Revelation 17 and 18 will forever remain a mystery if the wrong path is followed.


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Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: His child] #191169
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His child, was Babylon prophesied as a king or kingdom in the image dream?


In Daniel 2 Daniel said to King Nebuchadnezzar "You are the head of gold."
In Daniel 4 Daniel said to King Nebuchadnezzar "You are the tree."

The translators translated Daniel 2 to make the head of gold the kingdom and overlooked the king
The translators translated Daniel 4 to make the tree the king and overlooked his kingdom.

totally inconsistent translations.

In Daniel 2 and 4 King Nebuchadnezzar is symbolic of himself and his kingdom BOTH

So was Babylon not prophesied in the dream?

Da 2:37 "You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory;
Da 2:38 -you are this head of gold.
Da 2:39 "But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth.

Are you saying it should say:
But after you shall arise another king inferior to you; then another, a third king of bronze,
?
Who is the second king of silver and the third king of bronze?

Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: kland] #191197
11/05/19 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by kland
His child, was Babylon prophesied as a king or kingdom in the image dream?


In Daniel 2 Daniel said to King Nebuchadnezzar "You are the head of gold."
In Daniel 4 Daniel said to King Nebuchadnezzar "You are the tree."

The translators translated Daniel 2 to make the head of gold the kingdom and overlooked the king
The translators translated Daniel 4 to make the tree the king and overlooked his kingdom.

totally inconsistent translations.

In Daniel 2 and 4 King Nebuchadnezzar is symbolic of himself and his kingdom BOTH

So was Babylon not prophesied in the dream?

Da 2:37 "You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory;
Da 2:38 -you are this head of gold.
Da 2:39 "But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth.

Are you saying it should say:
But after you shall arise another king inferior to you; then another, a third king of bronze,
?
Who is the second king of silver and the third king of bronze?



In Daniel 2, Daniel was speaking to the king as he spoke to him in Daniel 4.
We do not have a problem applying the dream in Daniel 4 to King Nebuchadnezzar.

Daniel 7 repeats and expands Daniel 2 so that it applies to the kingdom Babylon.
Thus Daniel 4 is repeated and expanded as it applies to the kingdom as well.
And Daniel 7 repeats and enlarges Daniel 7 (itself) so that it applies to the endtime kingdom Babylon as well.

Nebuchadnezzar's 4 king dynasty aligns with Jeremiah's prophecy
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All nations shall serve him [Nebuchadnezzar], and his son [Evil-Merodach], and his son?s son [grandson, Belshazzar], until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him (see Jeremiah 27:4-11).


And when Daniel 7 expands and explains Daniel 2 and 4, it does so in regards to the endrime four kings from the earth (7:17).

this audio link will help. It is a chapter by chapter overview of Daniel. My virus scan says it is too large to scan, but it is virus free.I have downloaded and played it without any trouble

http://bit.ly/36rxOgX


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Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: Rick H] #191200
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this audio link will help.
1.2 Gigabytes! And from googlespy, besides.
I think not.


His child, not sure you answered my question.
Are you saying Daniel 2 is not referring to future kingdoms?
Is Medo-Persia and Greece not referred to in Daniel 2?

Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: Rick H] #191210
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Five were wise and five were foolish. The truth should have been proclaimed by the ten virgins, but only five had made the provision essential to join that company who walked in the light that had come to them. The third angel?s message was needed. This proclamation was to be made. Many who went forth to meet the Bridegroom under the messages of the first and second angels, refused the third angel?s message, the last testing message to be given to the world (16MR 269.3).


While rejecting truth from Heaven, it is not possible to understand the Present Truth.


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Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: kland] #191213
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His child, is this not a valid and relevant question?

Are you saying Daniel 2 is not referring to future kingdoms?
Is Medo-Persia and Greece not referred to in Daniel 2?

Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: kland] #191216
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His child, is this not a valid and relevant question?

Are you saying Daniel 2 is not referring to future kingdoms?
Is Medo-Persia and Greece not referred to in Daniel 2?


In Daniel 2 Daniel said to King Nebuchadnezzar "You are the head of gold."
The translators translated Daniel 2 to make the head of gold the kingdom and overlooked the king

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The prophetic events related in Nebuchadnezzar?s dream [Daniel 2] were of consequence to him, but the dream was taken from him in order that the wise men should not place upon it a false interpretation. The lessons taught by the dream were given by God for those who live in our day. The inability of the wise men to tell the dream is a representation of the limitations of the wise men of the present day, who, not having wisdom and discernment from the Most High, are unable to understand the prophecies (YI, November 24, 1903 par. 1).


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The words, ?Thou art this head of gold,? had made a deep impression upon the ruler?s mind (PK 504.1).


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All nations shall serve him [Nebuchadnezzar], and his son [Evil-Merodach], and his son?s son [grandson, Belshazzar], until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him (see Jeremiah 27:4-11).


The initial application of Daniel 2 was to King Nebuchadnezzar. In Daniel 7, Daniel 2 was enlarged and explained to include the kingdoms from Babylon to Rome. The translators premature understanding of Daniel 2 as it applied to the great kingdoms led them to translate it in such a way as to conceal its meaning as it related to the king and his dynasty. Thus Daniel 2 applies to both the king (his dynasty) and the great kingdoms. The translators focus on the kingdom of Babylon was ordained of God to "seal up, close, and shut up" the book of Daniel until the endtime.

In Daniel 7, the prophet saw sea beasts Heaven's interpretation said nothing about sea beasts, but instead it expanded and explained the vision as it applied to "earth kings". Thus, the meaning of Daniel 7 was shut, closed and sealed up until knowledge increased.

Daniel 2 used Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty to foreshadow the great kingdoms and to explain the four earth kings that were to arise in the endtime. To make Daniel 2 apply to the kingdoms as the primary meaning is a reading that limits " the wise men of the present day, who, not having wisdom and discernment from the Most High, are unable to understand the prophecies." Laodicea will remain blinded about this prophecy until it gets the eyesalve from Jesus.

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O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased? Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end (Daniel 12:4, 9).


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