The cure: Vitamin C in large dosages

Doctors have found that vitamin C is more effective even than a vaccine, if taken in high doses. Because it is acidic, the stomach can tolerate only a certain amount at a time, but if one gets sick with a virus, taking up to 2000 mg. of vitamin C every fifteen minutes WITH WATER, will kill the virus. For more serious cases, IV (intravenous) vitamin C can be given in higher dosages, but for most people, just taking some vitamin C, along with water, every few minutes throughout the waking day, will be enough, for example, take 500 mg. every five minutes. The idea is to trickle it in through the stomach, a little at a time, throughout the day.

I had a similar experience when I was in college. At that time, the Texas A Virus spread among many of the students at my university. (This was before the internet era had fully developed, and one will be hard-pressed to find any information about this particular virus online now.) One of my good friends got it. He was unable to attend classes for a week. Then I got it. I took my temperature, then I called him and asked him how high his temperature had been. Mine was the same. Other symptoms were the same. I asked him what the doctor had given him. Then I called my doctor. My doctor told me that instead of those other medications that the local doctor had prescribed (which included an antibiotic that would be ineffective against a virus), it would be better for me to take 500 mg. of vitamin C every fifteen minutes, with water, as long as I was awake. This was nearly 25 years ago--and now the recommended dosage is higher. I followed my doctor's advice. That day I took over 10,000 mg. of vitamin C, and made frequent trips to the toilet as the water also cleaned out my body. By the end of the day, the fever was gone, the runny nose was gone, and I felt much better--only tired. That was a Sunday. The next morning, on Monday, I chose not to attend my classes because I still felt tired. I just needed a day to rest. On Tuesday, I was back in classes. So I missed one day of class, whereas my friend, taking prescription medications, had missed a whole week.

If I were to get this new illness, I would follow this same regimen, except for increasing the dosages. I am not afraid of the virus. I don't think it would last more than about three days with me. In fact, I think I may already have gotten it, as I had a very severe cold during the Christmas/New Year break, the worst of which lasted about a week. There were times I could taste blood I was coughing so hard. Unfortunately, as I was traveling and away from home, I had only limited supplies of vitamin C with me at the time, but those did help. I think if I had been able to take 500 mg. every five minutes, the cough could have been cured much faster. The part that really worried me, and made me feel like I was dying, was the breathing difficulty. There were times I could not inhale, as if something caught in my throat. I had never experienced this before. It may have been my own vocal folds, or a mistakenly triggered swallow reflex, but it would constrict my throat so that I could not take a breath. It seemed to happen at random times. It may have been a separate condition unrelated to the flu, but once I was well, this symptom went away.

Some people think that so-called mega-dosing on Vitamin C is dangerous. It isn't, so long as adequate amounts of water are taken with it. As a water-soluble vitamin, any extra gets flushed out of the body. What most people don't realize is that many animals make their own vitamin C. Humans do not, so for us it is an essential vitamin. Goats, for example, make an average of about 13,000 mg. of vitamin C every day. There are documented cases of a goat making about 27,000 mg. of vitamin C in a single day. If it were dangerous for us to have that amount--why is the goat safe with it?

High-dose vitamin C is considered the best treatment option for viruses in general, the coronavirus included. High doses of vitamin D3 come in as the next best option. In any case, I will certainly not be first in line for a vaccine when it emerges.

For those interested in some scientific studies and/or news/documentation to back this up, consider the following links:

https://www.wakingtimes.com/2020/03...min-c-treatment-of-covid-19-coronavirus/

Here's a portion of that article, in case it vanishes, but this portion does not include the many links to further documentation--so check out the article itself for a more first-hand source of information.



Here's another great link to similar information:

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n16.shtml

And, according to this article...

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n13.shtml

...China had 50 tons of vitamin C shipped in to Wuhan to help deal with the coronavirus, something the mainstream media--which is closely linked to and supported by the pharmaceutical industry--has not reported. Wuhan is passed the crisis point already now, and the vitamin C should take its due credit.

God bless,

Green Cochoa.

So that's why my wife keeps giving Vitamin C to me...

Is this any particular brand of Vitamin C, or is any brand OK?

Most any brand should be fine, but get the purest form possible, i.e. skip the orange-flavored, sugared-up chewables. Vitamin C crystals (powder) may be available in a more bulk form at your local heath food store. Puritan's Pride markets some of this which weighs in at 5000 mg. per teaspoon. The crystals can easily be mixed in with some fruit juice, or even in just plain water (makes it nice and sour). It's basically pure ascorbic acid (Vitamin C).

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green Cochoa,

What you describe that you had over Christmas almost certainly is not covid-19, but is a coronavirus that causes what is called the respiratory syncytial virus, which can cause the vocal cords to slam shut, blocking your ability to breath in air. It is especially dangerous to babies, but can sometimes be dangerous to adults as well. And you can get it again as the immunity to it does not last.

Vitamin C in such high doses as 30,000 mg given by the IV route is potentially deadly in some people. It can block the placement of sugar receptors on the surface of cell, which in turn can cause the body to change to burning fat, which in turn can lead to high ketone production and that then causes acidosis, which you can die from. Most are not at risk from it, but if a person has insulin resistance, then this can happen and they can die from the treatment. In such a case, it would be better to reduce the dose, which may not cure the covid-19, but it should reduce the severity of it to a tolerable level and one that won't kill you, at least, this can be done for most who have this problem. And the treatment won't kill you either.

China is testing a number of things to see what works. The covid-19 virus use the same receptor to get into the cells as the SARs virus, so whatever works on SARs should work on the covid-19 virus.

I'm no expert regarding what I had at Christmas. My doctor recommended selenium as a treatment for possible Hashimoto's disease, which would have been entirely unrelated to the virus, and merely a coincidence that they occurred simultaneously. I don't know. I did go to the hospital and had a camera inserted to my throat, which saw nothing--but by that time, thinking I was in a serious way, and feeling near to death, I had gone on a total fast from solid foods for two days, and so I almost chalked it up to having healed by then. After the doctor's visit, I ate at a local vegetarian restaurant, and that evening once more experienced the constriction. But it seemed to gradually lessen afterwards, and I haven't had any issues for awhile now.

Relative to the 30,000 mg. killing someone--I totally disagree with that. Someone is trying to badmouth natural medicine in favor of conventional drugs, methinks. I've seen firsthand what vitamin C IV can do for someone, and in much higher doses. I know what it did for someone suffering from snakebite who took a 50,000 mg. IV of vitamin C and found that it was at least four times as effective as the $5,000 dose of antivenin had been. He got a second dose of 50,000 mg. of Vitamin C the next day, and the swelling and pain were almost completely gone by then, whereas before the vitamin C IVs his arm had been completely swollen and purple, not to mention in great pain.

Naturally, if you have some special medical condition, anything is possible. For example, a G6PD patient could be harmed by an excessive dose of vitamin C because their genetic condition leaves their blood cells less protected. On the other hand, G6PD is rather uncommon, and a child with it could die from eating a bowl of Lima beans--but I don't think anyone here would say we should never recommend eating Lima beans.

Nor do I agree that ketosis is especially dangerous. When fasting, everyone experiences it. But fasting is recommended in the Bible. If you are a diabetic, and cannot safely fast, then know your own body and limit yourself accordingly. But because some people might die from eating a peanut does not mean we should ban peanuts for everyone.

When I was in Taiwan, I came across an interesting one: A woman was selling green vegetables in the market. Because those vegetables were nearly sold out, and knowing that the aged lady would have to sit there until they were, the vegetables were bought--largely to help the lady, since they were not at first recognized. Once home, I looked at them and realized they were nightshade leaves. Shocked, knowing that they are poisonous, I went to the internet to figure out how in the world anyone would eat them. I discovered that certain genetics can tolerate the solanine in the leaves which is pure poison to most of us. Evidently, those living in Taiwan know if they are able to eat them or not.

Again, if a goat can make 27,000 milligrams of vitamin C in one day, I don't think 30,000 milligrams would prove fatal to the average person. In fact, I believe it would be very beneficial to 99% of those who try it. If you know you can't handle it, don't go against your doctor's orders. But I'd be careful of believing just any doctor these days.

God bless,

Green Cochoa.

The best thing to fight Covid-19 is to build up the immune system.
A good immune system will fight off the virus.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317103815.htm

A separate website confirms this, as copied below.



Here's a link to a current study going on of Vitamin C IV infusions in the treatment of COVID-19.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533

My wife has added a orange or other citrus to my daily diet, and something led me to get pineapple juice in the small cans and store them, (I give God the credit), and now from what they are saying on vitamin C, they are coming in very handy.

Did anybody hear about NAC being used with Vitamin C being very good against the coronavirus???

A letter to the president from a senate candidate about using Vitamin A, C, & D:

https://shiva4senate.com/immune-and-economic-health-for-america-coronavirus/

Good find. One might nearly wonder if he had read my posts here. Ha!

I've known something of the effectiveness of vitamin C for decades already. It's good to see such ideas getting a little more press.

Dr. F., though, is probably a J..... who has an agenda beyond the claims he puts forward.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I think this might be related to what you were looking for...

"Vitamin C and N acetylcysteine

N-Acetylcysteine (NAC) is a precursor of reduced glutathione that has the ability to quench hydroperoxides. Vitamin C (Vit C) is an effective scavenger of hydroxyl radicals, and vitamin E (Vit E) is a lipid radical chain breaker that scavenges oxygen radicals and alkyl radicals (33)."... https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/132/8/2151/4687658

Anything that interferes with the virus, whether blocking, or inhibiting it especially in the cells, seems to be helping delay its spread so the body immune system reacts and fights the virus.

This is an interesting interview with Dr. Timothy Perenich

1918 vs 2020 pandemic


We, as a church were given sound information for health. but, we as a church, have largely turned away from the very answers that bring cures and health.

We need to get back to the blue print, and learn to effectively do natural remedies -- like using sunlight, freshair and water treatments, along with nutritious foods needed to maintain a good immune system.

Here is a revealing interview with MIT PhD, Dr Shiva Ayyadurai

https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw

For the record, as the internet information may "evolve," here's a little more evidence of China's use of vitamin C to fight the "novel coronavirus."

CHINESE NEWS

Google Translate's English Version

2月1日上午，50吨维生素C原料药从帝斯曼江山制药（江苏）有限公司紧急发往湖北华中药业股份有限公司，这批维生素C原料药将被制成维生素C注射液，用于疫情防控与救治。2月3日，帝斯曼（中国）有限公司向中国红十字基金会捐赠人民币100万元，用于支援湖北武汉疫情防控工作，以及疫情地区一线医护人员人道救助专项使用，为驰援疫情防控尽一份力，同舟共济渡过难关。此外，帝斯曼还将为奋战在一线抗击疫情的医护人员分批捐赠10万瓶维生素C产品。第一品维生素C咀嚼片将捐赠予武汉协和医院和荆州当地医院，帮助医护人员建立强有力的免疫系统，为其工作和健康提供支持。 　　华中药业系中国兵器装备集团子公司，在本次疫情中，其被国药控股湖北有限公司（武汉市新型肺炎防控指挥部疫情防控医疗物资采购商）列为防控药品医疗物资保障单位。华中药业生产的维生素C注射液系这次新型冠状病毒感染的肺炎疫情防控与救治的必需药品。此前，华中药业紧急向帝斯曼江山采购维生素C原料药，并开具货物运输特别通行证。 　　帝斯曼江山于1月22日启动防疫应急工作，成立了以公司管理层为主要成员的疫情应急响应领导小组。对口罩、测温枪、洗手液、消毒剂等应急用品进行采购、分发和储备，发放医用及N95口罩8000多副。承包商及运输商进行登记、核实身份、体温检测、佩戴防护口罩方可进入厂区；员工必须在门卫、班组进行两次测温，确认没有异常才能上岗作业。通过车间、班组微信群，公司对全员健康状况进行及时跟踪，同时明确规定：凡与疫区人员有直接或间接接触的员工，无论这些疫区人员的健康状况如何，必须立即进行居家隔离、安排专人跟踪进展。并每天组织对公司公共区域进行定时消毒、送餐到岗，确保应急维生素C原料药生产正常、按时供货。 　　帝斯曼中国总裁，蒋惟明博士提到：? 帝斯曼密切关注疫情发展，我们深知每一次病例数字跳动的背后都是鲜活的个人和家庭。随着防疫工作进入攻坚时刻，帝斯曼将竭尽所能，凭借专业、及时的服务以全球生产和供应链网络为疫情防控做出空闲，与中国一同渡过难关！?

On the morning of February 1, 50 tons of vitamin C APIs were urgently sent from DSM Jiangshan Pharmaceutical (Jiangsu) Co., Ltd. to Hubei Huazhong Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd. This batch of vitamin C APIs will be made into vitamin C injections. In the prevention and treatment of epidemic situation. On February 3, DSM (China) Co., Ltd. donated RMB 1 million to the China Red Cross Foundation to support the epidemic prevention and control work in Wuhan, Hubei, as well as the special use of humanitarian aid for front-line medical staff in the epidemic area, for the purpose of epidemic prevention Take control and do your best to get through the difficulties together. In addition, DSM will donate 100,000 bottles of vitamin C products in batches to medical staff who fight against the epidemic. The first product of Vitamin C chewable tablets will be donated to Wuhan Union Hospital and Jingzhou local hospital to help medical staff build a strong immune system and provide support for their work and health. Huazhong Pharmaceutical is a subsidiary of China Ordnance Equipment Group. In this epidemic, it was listed by Sinopharm Hubei Co., Ltd. (purchasing medical material purchaser for epidemic prevention and control of Wuhan New Pneumonia Prevention and Control Headquarters) as a unit for the prevention and control of medical materials. . Vitamin C injection produced by Huazhong Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd. is an essential drug for the prevention, control and treatment of pneumonia outbreaks caused by the new coronavirus. Prior to this, Huazhong Pharmaceutical had urgently purchased vitamin C raw materials from DSM and issued a special transportation permit. DSM Jiangshan started the epidemic prevention and emergency work on January 22, and established an epidemic emergency response leading group with the company's management as the main member. Procurement, distribution and storage of emergency supplies such as masks, temperature measuring guns, hand sanitizers and disinfectants, and distribution of more than 8,000 medical and N95 masks. Contractors and transporters must register, verify their identities, perform temperature tests, and wear protective masks before entering the factory area; employees must conduct temperature measurements twice with guards and teams to confirm that there are no abnormalities before they can start work. Through the workshop and team WeChat group, the company keeps track of the health status of all employees in a timely manner, and clearly stipulates that all employees who have direct or indirect contact with personnel in the epidemic area, regardless of the health status of those in the epidemic area, must immediately carry out home isolation, Arrange someone to track progress. And organize daily disinfection of the company's public areas, deliver meals to the post, to ensure that emergency vitamin C raw material production is normal and delivered on time. Dr. Jiang Weiming, President of DSM China, said: "DSM pays close attention to the development of the epidemic. We know that behind every number of cases, there are lively individuals and families. . . .

Found online here: http://www.caffci.org/xh_common.php?code=81&lan=2&page=1&id=5496

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Here are two interesting articles on Vitamin C

What is the optimum dosage? Any cautions?

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-is-the-optimal-vitamin-c-intake/Optimum Vitamin C dosage

Benefits and cautions in Vit C supplements

jackson,

That guy is ignoring some additional factors and is even off on some of his mathematical logic. For example, just because the body will fully absorb 200 mg. of vitamin C taken per day does not make that the ultimate level for dosage. The body has feedback mechanisms in place to help put everything in balance, and it is a little bit, perhaps, like charging a capacitor: if you have a completely empty capacitor, it will take the full amperage of the electrical current charging it. Once it is half full, it will draw much less amperage--does this mean that the capacitor is "too full" already? Hardly. It simply takes it longer to top up the last half than it did the first half. The same principle applies to a battery. If you charge your battery without a modern "smart" charger, from having been completely dead, it will charge quickly at first--as it hungrily soaks up the amperage. As it fills, it is less hungry. Should you, then, unplug the charger as soon as you notice that it is not taking so much current? Of course not.

When the vitamin C dosage was increased to around 1300 mg. per day, according to the video, the body accepted 46% of it. That means that the body accepted over 500 mg., which puts 200 mg. as only 40% of what the body felt it could use when given more. The body is complicated. The math is more nuanced than the video would suggest. The gentleman appears not to have thought things through carefully.

Vitamin C has other reasons, too, why it may be especially helpful, given in high dosages, for fighting cancer, viruses, or other diseases. The acidity of the vitamin changes the chemistry of the blood, which has a similar effect on the immune response and/or the viability of the disease as spiking a fever might have. This effect has little to do with the vitamin C itself, and more to do with the oxidative and pH factors of the blood. A doctor once explained this to me, but I have forgotten the details, so there may be a clearer description of this you might find.

I still think that the fact a goat regularly makes 13,000 mg. of vitamin C every day (in its liver), which can go up to 27,000 if the goat is a little stressed, and case reports have indicated as much as 100,000 mg. in a single day for an extra-stressed goat, tells us that vitamin C is not nearly so much to be feared, even in so-called mega-doses, as many seem to think. Unfortunately, humans don't make vitamin C like many (most?/all?--I don't know) other mammals do.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
 
Luke 10:19 Behold, I give to you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Acts 28:5-6 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. (6) However, they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.

APL,
Do you think Paul would have been spared if he had been bitten while presumpuously playing with the snake?


{ CD 26.1}

jackson, I agree. I would also point out that none of the following have anything to do with the laws of heath:

1) Face masks
2) Social distancing
3) Sanitizing hand gel
4) Quarantine
5) Absence from church assembly

We have become like sheep without a shepherd--and the shepherds have done worse than merely abandoning the sheep. They have locked the church doors so that the sheep could not even assemble amongst themselves shepherdless!

Face masks hide the Christian's smile, which is both a privilege and a duty to lift the spirits of those around. Social distancing runs contrary to the words of the angel: "Press together. Press together." Hand gel, while seeming to many to be a good idea, isn't. When alcohol or antibiotics are frequently placed on the skin, it kills all of the natural bacteria and makes room for fungal infection to take its place. Quarantining is not a law of health; it is a law of sickness. And sick people should be as welcome at church as anyone--perhaps more so, as the brethren can then become acquainted with their needs and minister to them. The elders of the church can pray for their healing.

We serve the God of Psalm 23 and 91. We serve the God of peace, and not of fear. We need not be afraid of the pandemic--we are told, instead, to be afraid of the fear!

"The Lord spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying, Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. Sanctify the Lord of hosts Himself; and let Him be your fear, and let Him be your dread. . . . Bind up the testimony, seal the law among My disciples. . . . To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:11-20. {7T 153.2}

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green Cochoa,
I agree wholeheartedly with your statement:


However, we have inspired cousel that we should obey the laws and customs of our society as long as they do not conflict with the Law of God - as uncomfortable and illogical as they may appear at times.



The one sticky point is the prohibition of assemblies greater than 10 people- as is the "law" here in Oregon. This does infringe on our constitutional right of freedom of assembly and right to worship together

Our church has decided that we will use Zoom for our Sabbath School classes and church meetings. We also has a television station connected with our church so our Sabbath services are live streammed .on the internet.

We conduct the Sabbath service with10 or less people, including the camera man, and we make sure that those on camera stay 6 feet apart from each other. If two or more are singing together they stand apart , as well.r. It is all rather silly . but it lets us have a "virtual" church without violating the" laws" of the state.

Jackson,

Just here is where you and I may disagree. I believe that by closing our churches we ARE violating the law of God. This is the time to obey God rather than man. God's Word says we are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together (Hebrews 10:25). Now, if God's word had said that we should not forsake the assembling of SOME of ourselves together, you would be correct in your less-than-ten-person assemblies. But it doesn't. That word "some" is not there.

The online "communion" service was about the most ridiculous thing I've heard of in a long, long time. I am alone in my house, having no church to attend, and no family nor friend present with me. Am I to wash my own feet? Bake my own bread? Bless it all myself? Break it myself? Pass it out to myself?

Most worldly people who drink do not drink alone. There is no joy in doing so. Communion service, without "communion," is what?

Ridiculous.

And it's against Jesus' command to His disciples--incidentally, of whom were 12 present at that time, enough to break the ten-person rule.

When we worship together, it is altogether different from private devotions in some very fundamental ways. Some enjoy listening to recorded ("canned") music. I don't know of anyone who similarly listens to recorded prayers. Do you? It just wouldn't be the same, would it? And yet our music, Ellen White says, is as prayer to God. When we pray collectively, gathered together in one place, we sense a different spirit and power to it than when we are alone.

"Greet the brethren with an holy kiss." So much for the six-foot rule.

Not one of the world's principles for dealing with the current situation aligns to God's principles. Not one. They all seem diametrically opposed to Christian living and to the work which we must do as Christians. There is, of course, a reason for this--and it is the very reason we must be awake and sensitive to our duty in these troublous times.

We might have to move this particular discussion to its own topic, but it is certainly an important one.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

A building does net make a church.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the middle of them.

But it is sure nice to have a building to go to on Sabbath morning, where people can gather together in Christ's name.
God created people to need people, isolation is NOT healthy.

What building did Christ go to? The early Christians? Where was the Lord's Supper first held? What are house churches?

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the middle of them.

APL -- the problem isn't building or no building.
The problem is ordering people NOT TO GATHER TOGETHER, PERIOD

You can't even gather together in your house or in the park.
Why are laws ordering people NOT to Gather together for worship.

Why even those who stayed in their cars and met together in a "drive in" service had problems with law,

If I gather with my spouse, I have fulfilled what Jesus has said.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the middle of them.

Selfish. You didn't gather with me. You left me alone, isolated, without family or friend, and therefore having no quorum with God as you seem to think you have.

I'm less certain you have it either. Jesus said a man and his wife were "one flesh." One isn't two.



You and your spouse are not two anymore. Just one. According to Jesus.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

It is written;

VJohn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to you. Holy Father, keep through your own name those whom you have given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Here is some fascinating info.
https://youtu.be/eDDCz1IsXF0

You won't know the truth until heaven. 'til then, you'll believe want you want to. Believe God. He never changes.

APL, we are sanctifed by the truth, not by what we choose to believe. if one waits for Heaven to find the truth, he will find no entrance there

And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. John 17:19

The truth and the glory of God are inseparable; it is impossible for us, with the Bible within our reach, to honor God by erroneous opinions. Many claim that it matters not what one believes, if his life is only right. But the life is molded by the faith. If light and truth is within our reach, and we neglect to improve the privilege of hearing and seeing it, we virtually reject it; we are choosing darkness rather than light. { GC 597.2}

We need to know the truth about God. Many don't know the truth. Many have Erroneous options about Him. do you?

As for the Corona virus, please tell the truth. Can you? i don't want darkness, and neither do you.