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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #192702
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The Law and the Revelation: Fourth Series

The fourth Commandment: Exod. 20:8-11
The key word is Sabbath.

The fourth Plague: Rev. 16:8-9
The key word is Sun scorching heat.

The fourth Seal: Rev. 6:7-8
The key word is the Dark Age.

The fourth Church: Rev. 2:18-29
The key word is Jezebel.

The fourth Trumpet: Rev. 8:12
The key word is sun, moon, stars shaking.

The effect of sun scorching heat is the result of the blaspheming the name of God of the Sabbath.
In the Ten Commendmants, the Sabbath is the most significant, and it has been challenged by the sun-worship.
The fourth seal represents the Dark Age period when the sunday law was enforced, and Jezebel of the fourth church is closely linked with an enforcement of the Sunday law.
The fourth trumpet warns about the coming of the cosmic shaking of the sun, moon, and stars.

The counterpart of the Sabbath is the worship of the counterfeit on the Sunday.
In order to obliterate the Sabbath truth, Satan employs the Climate Change issue for the Sunday worship that mandates in the worldwide scope.
Jezebel symbolize the killing of saints with the powers of the beast upon the 1/4 of the earth during the Dark Age.

The sings of the sun, moon stars manifest the undeniable fulfillment of the prophecy.

In Matt. 24:29, it says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"

The above passage indicates that the Jacob's tribulation will be terminated at the shaking of the powers of heavens. We find another passage that attests the truth in Heb. 12:26-27.

"Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain." Heb. 12:26-27

Then, with the great earthquake, all the high-rise buildings of the world and things will be crushed to dust like the Nebuchadnezzar's image of the dream.
"who hath believed our report?" (Isa. 53:1). How many people believed Noah's preaching about the coming flood in those days even at the unprecedented procession of animals entering into the ark?

Shall the powers of heaven and the earth shaken to remain permanent yet once more at the coming of the Lord? Noah was mocked back then. Will people mock at the idea of the cosmic shaking even at the unprecedented natural disasters being intensified now?

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The Law and the Revelation: Fifth Series

The fifth plague is poured upon the seat of the beast and his kingdom. According to Rev. 13, an entity of the beast is the Papacy.
What is a root cause of the original problem for the fifth plague? Why such a demand to punish the beast and his kingdom in the fifth bowl of the plague?

In the fifth seal, the souls of them who were beheaded for the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus cry out for avenge of their blood.
Who beheaded them? Why?

The fifth church represents the reformation period in the seven church era.
Where did the reformers rise from? Who had the supreme power in the Medieval church?

The Sunday Law caused to produce martyrs during the Medieval church era. Those were killed because they worship God according to the commandments: "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy."

The reformers were against the Papacy and exodus from the Catholic Church. The church of Sardis was in a condition of death: "that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead" (Rev. 3:1). The reformers had to come out of the false church. The kingdom of the beast is full of darkness in the fifth plague: "the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness" (Rev. 16:10).

The fifth trumpet clearly warns about the Papacy who unleashes torments to those who do not have the seal of God: "And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads" (Rev. 9:3-4).

The fifth commandment of the Ten is "honor your father and mother" and the Papacy calls protestants to come back to their mother church, Catholic. Rev. 17:5 "And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth".

The Papacy is given the key of the bottomless pit, which means a controlling power on earth. They are the entity that the whole world wonders after: "they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life" (Rev. 17:8).

'A star fall from heaven' is the Papacy in the immediate context of the fifth trumpet: "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit" (Rev. 9:1).

The fifth trumpet is very lengthy in description with a severe warning: It is almost saying 'be aware of the beast'=the Papacy. If we consider why God put seven times in the Scripture about the medieval church period, the emphasis is for us to see relevancy to our life. ( See Dan. 7:25, 12:7 and Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14, 13:5).

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #192859
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Continue with the Law and the Revelation of the Fifth Series
In Scripture names represent character and one person or an entity may come with many different names.
In this sense the beast of Revelation appears with diverse name according to a particular perspective.

The Beast's name of Rev. 9 is a fallen star; an angel from the bottomless pit; a king; a destroyer (Abaddon; Apollyon).
The beguiling power of the beast is described in ten characteristics which he inflicts spiritual agony to those are not sealed of God :
1). Horse prepared for battle (make war)
2). Crowns on their heads (intend to conquer)
3). Faces like the faces of men (intelligent like men)
4). Hair like women (has seductive power)
5). Teeth like a lion (has destructive capability)
6). Breastplates of iron (they are invulnerable)
7). Wings sound like chariots (they are swift in battle)
8). Tail like a scorpion (their mission is to hurt men)
9). Tails that hurt men (they force men to seek death-spiritual torment)
10. Directed by a king (they have a king - the seven headed beast)

Ps. 119:126 "It is time for thee, Lord, to work: for they have made void thy law."

The Papacy works against the law of God and to make it void. This is the first "woe" that Rev. 8:13 speaks about.
If God's law is made void, a spiritual darkness will cover the earth just as it happened during the Medieval Age when Catholic Church enforced the Sunday Law. Remember, the Scripture mentions seven times of the period of 1260 years.

The beast's seven heads is the Catholic Church in totality which the fifth head was wounded and got healed: the reformers attacked the Church with the sword of the Word of God to receive the wound on the one of his heads. During the Medieval Era Catholic Church had its power only over the one fourth of the earth in Europe, but when its fifth head got healed the whole world wonders after them. (See Rev. 6:8; Rev. 13:3). Would this phenomena evidence its exercise power over the worldwide in scale more so than during the Dark Ages? Is this indeed "woe" to the inhabitants of the earth? We must let the texts of the fifth trumpet speak to us plainly.

The fifth commandment is modified by the Catholic Church, saying, "And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth" (Rev. 17:5). The Papacy says she is the mother of Christian churches and "I sit a queen" (Rev. 18:7).

The old controversy is being repeated by the Papacy which plunge themselves- the seat of the beast and its kingdom- into "full of darkness" (See Rev. 16:10; Rev. 9:2). The fifth plague explicitly declared its course. The fifth church, Sardis, is called dead church exclude of those few reformers. The dead church represent Catholic and they torment the inhabitants of the earth to seek death but cannot die, for it is a spiritual torment that they induce.

Those who were faithful to the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus cry under the altar praying "avenge our blood" (Rev. 6:10) and this is the fifth seal that represent those beheaded for the cause of the truth.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #192970
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The Law and the Revelation: sixth Series

Historically God's creation existed in the beginning but the plan of salvation was existed in the eternal time before the creation.
A construction of a building must occur prior to use of the building, but its blueprint and design must be made earlier than that.

The Second Coming of Jesus marks the completion of the redemption of humanity, which the whole universe also awaited for 6,000 years. In the beginning, Jesus created the heaven and the earth, and in the end He will come again because He has accomplished the salvation of humanity (John 1:3; Rev. 1:8). He said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

The humanity began their first day of life with the Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28). It was the Sabbath day when the morning stars sang and the sons of God shouted for joy when the foundation of the earth was laid(Job 38:4,7).

The Second Coming of the Lord Jesus is the theme of the sixth series. Cosmic cataclysmic event is indicated in the thread of the sixth elements of the four pillars of Revelation; seven churches, seven seals, seven trumpets, seven plagues.
The sixth plague is very lengthy in description which implies such a tension in the surround of "the way of the kings of the east might be prepared" (Rev. 16:12). This passage alludes Jesus' return.

In the sixth trumpet, there is a voice from the temple which is indicative of the voice of God the Father, and the backdrop of the four horns portray the close of probation in the heavenly sanctuary. Rev. 9:13 "And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God"

God commands to loose the four angels because the sealing work has completed upon the earth. Notice the definite article, "the four angels" which has the reference point of Rev. 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels ..."; Rev. 7:3 "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

The sixth seal in Rev. 6:12-17 is clear description of the event of Jesus' return. The passage says, "12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Notice that this passage is also lengthy in description which emphasizes the importance of the message.

The sixth church is Philadelphia church which has no rebuke but complements only. Philadelphia church represents a spiritual condition of those who are ready for Jesus' Second Coming. Jesus commands, "Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown(Rev. 3:11).

The great dragon, the old serpent, Satan knows that his time is short, so he utilizes the three unclean spirits to oppose Jesus' return by uniting them which we call it the work of Ecumenism. Why? Jesus un-maskes the identity of Satan by lifting up of the truth of the Word of God. The commandments of God speaks that the Sabbath is the seal of God. He proclaims the truth of the Sabbath, the sign between God and His people. "And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God (Ezek. 20:20).

The Sabbath truth becomes the single most importance in the last days just before the coming of the Lord Jesus. The law of the Lord says, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Ex. 20:8). There is clear evidence that the four pillars of Revelation have interconnected relationships that convey to us very important messages for an understanding.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #193061
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Continues with the sixth series:

The sixth plague reveals that the ecumenism is a suicidal activity of the enemy of God by themselves. The aim of the ecumenism is to battle against Christ and His church that they refuse to end their kingdom of Satan. In other words, the enemies of God want to continue the kingdoms of this world (Rev. 11:15). Thus, it is called Armageddon. Notice, Scripture testifies this battle precedes the Second Coming of Jesus.

Please read the text carefully: "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon" (Rev. 16:16).
There is no literal place called Armageddon in this world. So, it is symbolical. The word is a compound word: "Hur" "Megiddo". We have to go to the OT to get allusion of "Megiddo" that has inference of "hur" or assembly together.

Since the sixth plague is consequence of violating God's commandment, we have to think what is the reason the three unclean spirits summon the kings of the earth and the whole world against the law of God. What would be the apex of the issue in the last day? Everything culminates to this focal point: the worship of God on the seventh day Sabbath.

Are the enemy of God feel that they are not a match for the remnant of God that has the truth of this final generation? I believe so. The truth has the strength and God's people bear the truth. When they are endeavoring to unit themselves for the battle with the remnant, actually they are hastening their execution day. While the battle of Armageddon is being fought, Jesus tells us, "Blessed is he that watchers, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame" (Rev. 16:15).

Having said this, the battle of Armageddon must be going on in our modern days. There are three incidents of battles that happened in Megiddo of the OT time.
Judges 5:19 "no gain of money" when the Canaanite kings fought to gain money. The text has allusion to economic fornication in our modern days, which is a severe battle that everyone is involved.
1 Chron. 20:20, 15 Jehoshaphat's triumphant victory by the river of Euphrates in Megiddo. God's judgment is happening right now in heaven for the favor of His people. King Josiah killed by the river of Euphrates in Megiddo, which has allusion for God's remnant people who would not surrender to the enforcement of the Mark of the Beast, though they might be killed like Josiah. (See 2 King 23:25).

These events foreshadow the battle of Armageddon, the last spiritual conflict as the close of probation draws near. The word, Armageddon, conveys that the events that happened in Megiddo of old will recur in the end time. That is what "hur" denotes.

The fornication of economy is clearly indicated in Rev. 17:2, "With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication." The kings of the earth are interested in gaining wealth of the world. In order to achieve their interest, they join hands with the beast of Revelation. "And the ten horns which thou safest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast" (Rev. 17:12).

Notice also that the inhabitants are "made drunk with the wine of her fornication," which they did not volunteer to do so, but out of the last choice, they borrow money for "fornication" with the beast under the economy oppression. This implies that the beast has all the money of the world in her hand to control and corrupt the world. Many just infer that the fornication denotes only involving with spiritualism for the last days, but rather, it denotes economy fornication. The Spiritual Babylonian system does not allow people to "gain of money," but enslave and condition "both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads" (Rev. 13:16).

The three unclean spirits are united to kill the remnants of God by the mandate of the counterfeit of the Sabbath, the Mark of the Beast. Their forces of the power are involved in religion, politic and economy (Rev. 17:5, 18; Rev. 18:3).

Rev. 17:5 "And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth" --Religious power.

Rev. 17:18 "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."--Political power

Rev. 18:3 "For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies." --Economy power

God promised that He will avenge the blood of His servants at the beast: "For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand" (Rev. 19:2).

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #193215
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In short, the sixth plague is ecumenism.
Notice, the sixth plague has the most word count of the seven plagues.

In other words, the length of the sixth plague has the most extended description among the seven plagues.

The extensive description tells us a significant clue. What and who motivates and initiates ECUMENISM? and why? Bear these questions in mind. We will come back to it.

Similarly, most word count in the seven seals is the sixth seal. Without the shadow of a doubt, the imagery portrays the second coming of Jesus. Could these wicked cries of "rocks and mountains, fall on us" have a meaningful connection with the sixth plague? Yes, it is apparent. The ecumenism is for and to oppose the second coming of Jesus.

In the seven churches, the Thyatira church has the most word counts. The prominent figure is Jezebel, who brought Baal worship to Israel, and she represents the one who brought Sunday worship to God's people. Thyatira church represents the time when the Papacy had its supremacy in Jezebel's spirit.

The fifth trumpet points out the Papacy's nefarious activities, one that is the beast from the bottomless pit. Conversely, the fallen star is not held in Jesus's right hand, and that is the destroyer: Abadon and Apollyon. The most word count is in the fifth trumpet.

What could be the motive for the Papacy in the ecumenism movement? A confrontation for the truth is imminent, and has a fear of losing the battle. Yes, the seventh-day Sabbath is the truth in the worship of God. The beast's forehead has a blasphemous name. And the Beast represents the Papacy.

Why the Papacy wants ecumenism? They have a fearful heart of a "little flock" who has the truth of the bible and who challenges the spurious Sunday worship.

The Sabbath commandment has the most word count in the Ten Commandments. There is a meaningful connection between the law and the four pillars of Revelation (Plague, Seals, Churches, and Trumpets) starting from the sixth plague to the sixth seal, and the fourth church to the fifth trumpet.

The Papacy's scheme is against the seventh-day Sabbath. To oppose the second coming of Jesus, the Papacy attempts to change the Sabbath.

Luke 12:32 "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."

This battle is belong to the LORD and He will fight for us. Deut. 32:30 "How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up?"

Joshua 23:10 "One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the Lord your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you."

Lev. 26:8 "And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword."

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #193298
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The sixth series of the four pillars of Revelation show a clear message of the truth.

In the sixth plague, the three unclean spirits unite for the battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:12-16).
The three unclean spirits are Buddhist-primarily paganism (dragon), Catholic (the Beast) and the apostate Protestant (false prophets).

In the sixth seal, the cataclysmic event represents the Second Coming of Jesus (Rev. 6:12-17).
"a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places... And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us..."

In the sixth church of Philadelphia, a door is opened that no one can shut for the salvation of man (Rev. 3:7-13).
"behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name..."

In the sixth trumpet, the four angels are loosed to pour out the vials of plagues by fire, smoke and brimstones (Rev. 9:13-21).
The activated horsemen are 200 millions to slay 1/3 of men on the earth. These are the holy angels who follow the white horseman: "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean (Rev. 19:14).

Notice the parallels in the sixth plague and the sixth trumpet: by the great river of Euphrates, three religious entities (Rev. 16:12-16) and by the great river of Euphrates, three plagues that aiming at them for a punishment (Rev. 9:13-21).

The four angels by the great river Euphrates are not loosed yet. In other words, the probation of God has not closed yet."behold, now is the day of salvation" (2 Col. 6:2).

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The sixth plague (Rev. 16:12-16) parallels with the sixth trumpet (Rev. 9:13-21).
the great river Euphrates----------------------------------the great river Euphrates
Three religious entities-------------------------------------the three plagues
(Paganism, Catholic, Apostate Protestants)----------(fire, smoke, brimstone)

During the Dark Ages, Catholic killed the saints with wild beasts. Why smoke plague for Catholic? They stole the prayers of saints, which are represented as smoke (Rev. 5:8; 8:3-4). It is not biblical to confess sins to priest. Prayers have to go up to Our Intercessor, Jesus Christ only.

The great city Babylon has the three entities: 1) the habitation of devils, 2) the hold of every foul spirit, 3) a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

1) the habitation of devils represents buddhism
2) the hold of every foul spirit represents Catholic for they worship dead "saints"
3) a cage of every unclean and hateful bird represents apostate Protestants (divided into many denominations and speaking in tongues noisily).

In the sixth trumpet, the four angels are not loosed yet which signifies the close of probation (Rev. 9:13-14 and 7:1-3).
The sixth trumpet undoubtedly signifies the coming "Woe" to the wicked but many assume as historical event in the past. Thus, the crucial message is not discerned to alarm the church, but keeps the church in a slumber condition. The function of the trumpet is to warn and revive the church in Revelation.

1 Cor. 14:8 "For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"

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The second "woe" of Revelation is the sixth trumpet.

"One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter" (Rev. 9:12).

"Hereafter" indicates that the sound of the first "woe" and the second "woe" are simultaneous event. In other words, the point of sounding the trumpets has the same beginning point. If so, the third "woe" supposedly has the same beginning point.

"The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly" (Rev. 11:14).

The angel flying through the midst of heaven proclaimed the three-fold "woes" in Rev. 8:13.
"And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!"

This passage indicates that those previous four trumpet sounds are also woes. A marked difference of the next three trumpet sounds is their severity of intensity.

If so, the previous four trumpet sounds should be announced simultaneously with the three-fold woes if the trumpets did not proclaim the warning as yet.

The three angels message in Rev. 14 has the same imagery of an angel flying in the midst of heaven. We understand that the three angels represent God's people who proclaim the Bible truth.

Therefore, the seven angels of the seven trumpets will not sound the trumpets, but it is God's people's task.

God commands the seven angels only to pour out the seven last vials at the eschatological climax, and they follow through.(See Rev. 16). We do not observe that they blow the seven trumpets message in Revelation.

We have to be careful to distinguish angels' references, which have 72 times mentioned in Revelation: sometimes it is a real angel, sometimes God's people, and sometimes Jesus.

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What specifically were these first two woes that have already happened in the past??


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