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Why Bible Believers Should Oppose Vaccines
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03/20/20 07:09 PM
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There are many issues involved with the $25 billion-dollar vaccine industry which should catch the attention of Christians today. Among them, the following stand out in my mind. 1) The coercive, controlling nature of the vaccination program; 2) The attempt to force nature to comply with man's arbitrary wishes; 3) The use of unclean animals; 4) The use of aborted human fetuses; 5) Myriad man-made chemicals and toxins; 6) The financial profits involved; and 7) The end results of the vaccination program. Starting with that first point, let's face it: The program uses "compelling power," something that we know is not a part of God's government. . . . Compelling power is found only under Satan's government. The Lord's principles are not of this order. His authority rests upon goodness, mercy, and love; and the presentation of these principles is the means to be used. God's government is moral, and truth and love are to be the prevailing power. {DA 759.1} The second point relates to the fact that a vaccine essentially tries to take a shortcut with natural immunity to provide immunity without the natural struggle with the real pathogens that would ordinarily build the body's defenses. But nature is not easily cheated. There is a price to pay for any attempt to do so. The third point should be a show stopper--on this point alone, if there were no other, Bible-believing Christians should seek to avoid all vaccines. In fact, to receive such a vaccine is to completely ignore God's laws for health presented in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. To go against God's laws is, of course, sin. See 1 John 3:4. Vaccines may contain one or more of the following unclean animals (depending on which vaccine one receives): Eagles Monkey The larval worm of an unclean insect Human Dogs Pigs Here is a short list of vaccines containing at least one of the above: Adenovirus DTaP-IPV (Kinrix) DTaP-IPV (Quadracel) DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix) DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel) Hep A (Havrix) Hep A (Vaqta) Hep A/Hep B (Twinrix) Influenza (Flucelvax) Trivalent & Quadrivalent Influenza (FluMist) Quadrivalent Japanese Encephalitis (Ixiaro) MMR (MMR-II) MMRV (ProQuad) (Frozen) MMRV (ProQuad) (Refrigerator Stable) Polio (IPV ? Ipol) Rabies (Imovax) Rabies (RabAvert) Rotavirus (RotaTeq) Smallpox (Vaccinia) (ACAM2000) Varicella (Varivax) Frozen Zoster (Shingles) (Zostavax) Frozen Zoster (Shingles) (Zostavax) Refrigerator Stable Arguably, those vaccines are among the most frequently administered in the vaccination schedule. It is likely that more vaccines would be included in this list if only their ingredients were not hidden in technical names, as Mrs. White indicates has been done. "From the beginning to the end the crime of tobacco-using, of opium and drug medication, has its origin in perverted knowledge. It is through plucking and eating of poisonous fruit, through the intricacies of names that the common people do not understand, that thousands and ten thousands of lives are lost. This great knowledge, supposed by man to be so wonderful, God did not mean that man should have. They are using the poisonous productions that Satan himself has planted to take the place of the tree of life, whose leaves are for the healing of the nations. Men are dealing in liquors and narcotics that are destroying the human family. Deathly mixtures are used, that make men mad, and murder and violence are prevailing everywhere" (Spalding and Magan Collection, Page 141). The fourth point should catch the notice of all who take an anti-abortion position. It should be rather inconsistent of them to be consumers of vaccines that originated, in part, with aborted fetuses. Consider the following information: Vaccines Contain DNA From Aborted Human FetusesTwo cell lines, MRC-5 and WI-38, both derived from elective abortions performed in Europe in the early 1960s, have been used as cell substrates in vaccine manufacture. Four vaccines continue to require the use of these cell lines: varicella, rubella, hepatitis A, and one of the rabies vaccines. Human fetal cells were valuable in vaccine research because they support the growth of many human viruses and are sterile; they were first used at around the time that researchers found that primary monkey kidney cells were contaminated with SV40 virus. Some religious groups have become concerned about the use of cells originally obtained from elective abortions. However, the Catholic Church and other religions have deemed vaccines made using these cells worthy of continued use, despite their origins. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/wi-38 The fifth point touches on many different toxins that are used in the vaccines, which include mercury (thimerosal), formaldehyde, aluminum, barium, toxins extracted from diphtheria, octylphenol ethoxylate, etc. Considering just the first four of this list, the following vaccines would be contraindicated--the bolded ones are those containing thimerosal (mercury). Adenovirus Anthrax (Biothrax) DT (Sanofi) DTaP (Daptacel) DTaP (Infanrix) DTaP-IPV (Kinrix) DTaP-IPV (Quadracel) DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix) DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel) Hib (ActHIB) Hib (Hiberix) Hib (PedvaxHIB) Hep A (Havrix) Hep A (Vaqta) Hep B (Engerix-B) Hep B (Recombivax) Hep A/Hep B (Twinrix) Human Papillomavirus (HPV) (Gardasil 9) Influenza (Afluria) Trivalent & QuadrivalentInfluenza (Fluad) Influenza (Fluarix) Trivalent & Quadrivalent Influenza (Flulaval) Trivalent & QuadrivalentInfluenza (Fluvirin)Influenza (Fluzone) QuadrivalentInfluenza (Fluzone) High Dose Influenza (Fluzone) Intradermal Japanese Encephalitis (Ixiaro) Meningococcal (MenACWY-Menactra) Meningococcal (MenACWY-Menveo) Meningococcal (MenB ? Bexsero) Meningococcal (MenB ? Trumenba) Pneumococcal (PCV13 ? Prevnar 13) Polio (IPV ? Ipol) Td (Tenivac) Td (Mass Biologics)Tdap (Adacel) Tdap (Boostrix) Typhoid (Typhim Vi) The sixth point should be obvious enough. The vaccine industry has sufficient profit motive to bias any real truth, humanitarianism, science, or legislation in their favor. It boils down to profits over health and truth. Finally, the results of vaccines do not speak well for them. The vaccinated often have reduced immunity, and they often acquire the very disease which the vaccine was intended to prevent. The "herd immunity" concept was invented to help hide these facts. Basically, its underlying principle is this: IF everyone is vaccinated, then no one will be able to find people who are NOT vaccinated with whom to form a comparison study: vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. Without such a study, there is no direct evidence against the vaccination program. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Why Bible Believers Should Oppose Vaccines
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03/20/20 07:59 PM
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There are many issues involved with the $25 billion-dollar vaccine industry which should catch the attention of Christians today. Among them, the following stand out in my mind. 1) The coercive, controlling nature of the vaccination program; 2) The attempt to force nature to comply with man's arbitrary wishes; 3) The use of unclean animals; 4) The use of aborted human fetuses; 5) Myriad man-made chemicals and toxins; 6) The financial profits involved; and 7) The end results of the vaccination program. I would Starting with that first point, let's face it: The program uses "compelling power," something that we know is not a part of God's government. . . . Compelling power is found only under Satan's government. The Lord's principles are not of this order. His authority rests upon goodness, mercy, and love; and the presentation of these principles is the means to be used. God's government is moral, and truth and love are to be the prevailing power. {DA 759.1} The second point relates to the fact that a vaccine essentially tries to take a shortcut with natural immunity to provide immunity without the natural struggle with the real pathogens that would ordinarily build the body's defenses. But nature is not easily cheated. There is a price to pay for any attempt to do so. The third point should be a show stopper--on this point alone, if there were no other, Bible-believing Christians should seek to avoid all vaccines. In fact, to receive such a vaccine is to completely ignore God's laws for health presented in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. To go against God's laws is, of course, sin. See 1 John 3:4. Vaccines may contain one or more of the following unclean animals (depending on which vaccine one receives): Eagles Monkey The larval worm of an unclean insect Human Dogs Pigs Here is a short list of vaccines containing at least one of the above: Adenovirus DTaP-IPV (Kinrix) DTaP-IPV (Quadracel) DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix) DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel) Hep A (Havrix) Hep A (Vaqta) Hep A/Hep B (Twinrix) Influenza (Flucelvax) Trivalent & Quadrivalent Influenza (FluMist) Quadrivalent Japanese Encephalitis (Ixiaro) MMR (MMR-II) MMRV (ProQuad) (Frozen) MMRV (ProQuad) (Refrigerator Stable) Polio (IPV ? Ipol) Rabies (Imovax) Rabies (RabAvert) Rotavirus (RotaTeq) Smallpox (Vaccinia) (ACAM2000) Varicella (Varivax) Frozen Zoster (Shingles) (Zostavax) Frozen Zoster (Shingles) (Zostavax) Refrigerator Stable Arguably, those vaccines are among the most frequently administered in the vaccination schedule. It is likely that more vaccines would be included in this list if only their ingredients were not hidden in technical names, as Mrs. White indicates has been done. "From the beginning to the end the crime of tobacco-using, of opium and drug medication, has its origin in perverted knowledge. It is through plucking and eating of poisonous fruit, through the intricacies of names that the common people do not understand, that thousands and ten thousands of lives are lost. This great knowledge, supposed by man to be so wonderful, God did not mean that man should have. They are using the poisonous productions that Satan himself has planted to take the place of the tree of life, whose leaves are for the healing of the nations. Men are dealing in liquors and narcotics that are destroying the human family. Deathly mixtures are used, that make men mad, and murder and violence are prevailing everywhere" (Spalding and Magan Collection, Page 141). The fourth point should catch the notice of all who take an anti-abortion position. It should be rather inconsistent of them to be consumers of vaccines that originated, in part, with aborted fetuses. Consider the following information: Vaccines Contain DNA From Aborted Human FetusesTwo cell lines, MRC-5 and WI-38, both derived from elective abortions performed in Europe in the early 1960s, have been used as cell substrates in vaccine manufacture. Four vaccines continue to require the use of these cell lines: varicella, rubella, hepatitis A, and one of the rabies vaccines. Human fetal cells were valuable in vaccine research because they support the growth of many human viruses and are sterile; they were first used at around the time that researchers found that primary monkey kidney cells were contaminated with SV40 virus. Some religious groups have become concerned about the use of cells originally obtained from elective abortions. However, the Catholic Church and other religions have deemed vaccines made using these cells worthy of continued use, despite their origins. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/wi-38 The fifth point touches on many different toxins that are used in the vaccines, which include mercury (thimerosal), formaldehyde, aluminum, barium, toxins extracted from diphtheria, octylphenol ethoxylate, etc. Considering just the first four of this list, the following vaccines would be contraindicated--the bolded ones are those containing thimerosal (mercury). Adenovirus Anthrax (Biothrax) DT (Sanofi) DTaP (Daptacel) DTaP (Infanrix) DTaP-IPV (Kinrix) DTaP-IPV (Quadracel) DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix) DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel) Hib (ActHIB) Hib (Hiberix) Hib (PedvaxHIB) Hep A (Havrix) Hep A (Vaqta) Hep B (Engerix-B) Hep B (Recombivax) Hep A/Hep B (Twinrix) Human Papillomavirus (HPV) (Gardasil 9) Influenza (Afluria) Trivalent & QuadrivalentInfluenza (Fluad) Influenza (Fluarix) Trivalent & Quadrivalent Influenza (Flulaval) Trivalent & QuadrivalentInfluenza (Fluvirin)Influenza (Fluzone) QuadrivalentInfluenza (Fluzone) High Dose Influenza (Fluzone) Intradermal Japanese Encephalitis (Ixiaro) Meningococcal (MenACWY-Menactra) Meningococcal (MenACWY-Menveo) Meningococcal (MenB ? Bexsero) Meningococcal (MenB ? Trumenba) Pneumococcal (PCV13 ? Prevnar 13) Polio (IPV ? Ipol) Td (Tenivac) Td (Mass Biologics)Tdap (Adacel) Tdap (Boostrix) Typhoid (Typhim Vi) The sixth point should be obvious enough. The vaccine industry has sufficient profit motive to bias any real truth, humanitarianism, science, or legislation in their favor. It boils down to profits over health and truth. Finally, the results of vaccines do not speak well for them. The vaccinated often have reduced immunity, and they often acquire the very disease which the vaccine was intended to prevent. The "herd immunity" concept was invented to help hide these facts. Basically, its underlying principle is this: IF everyone is vaccinated, then no one will be able to find people who are NOT vaccinated with whom to form a comparison study: vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. Without such a study, there is no direct evidence against the vaccination program. Blessings, Green Cochoa. I would agree, but very few will take the risk of polio or tuberculosis, malaria, etc. and experience the agony and even death associated with it. So they choose what my wife calls the introduction of the disease, to wipe out or kill the same disease. We are given two bad choices, much like the greed of capitalism vs the absolute control of socialism.....
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Re: Why Bible Believers Should Oppose Vaccines
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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03/20/20 08:54 PM
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I would agree, but very few will take the risk of polio or tuberculosis, malaria, etc. and experience the agony and even death associated with it. So they choose what my wife calls the introduction of the disease, to wipe out or kill the same disease. We are given two bad choices, much like the greed of capitalism vs the absolute control of socialism..... Polio is largely (documented) to be a vaccine-caused illness these days. Google the term "cVDPV," which means "circulating vaccine-derived polio virus." Tuberculosis is neither a virus nor a pure bacterium, it is a hybrid fungus/yeast + bacterium, and there is no vaccine for it of which I am aware. Malaria is a parasite--again, no vaccine. There's a very good doctor to whom I am close, who had polio as a child. It was the polio that made him desire to become a doctor--ever since he was small--in order that he might relieve the suffering of others. He now advises his patients against the polio vaccines. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Why Bible Believers Should Oppose Vaccines
[Re: Rick H]
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03/23/20 09:02 AM
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I would agree, but very few will take the risk of polio or tuberculosis, malaria, etc. and experience the agony and even death associated with it. So they choose what my wife calls the introduction of the disease, to wipe out or kill the same disease. We are given two bad choices, much like the greed of capitalism vs the absolute control of socialism.....
Polio, tuberculosis, and malaria are bad diseases, but if taking a vaccine does not prevent it, is it worth the risks of being injected with the vaccine? That is, why go through the process of something which has the potential to do a lot of harm if it is not going to prevent that which you want to avoid? Is it, "because that's all we've got"? Not a reason to practice witchcraft.
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Re: Why Bible Believers Should Oppose Vaccines
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The "herd immunity" concept was invented to help hide these facts. Basically, its underlying principle is this: IF everyone is vaccinated, then no one will be able to find people who are NOT vaccinated with whom to form a comparison study: vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. Without such a study, there is no direct evidence against the vaccination program.
Excellent. I had never come across that idea nor had considered that. I recall someone when asked what was the null hypothesis regarding vaccines, and they said, to be vaccinated. Now I wonder if there was more truth to that than their ignorance. If everyone is vaccinated all the time, then the treatment would be lack of vaccination. If anyone should object as to why there are still sick people, then they could pull a global warmist' and say, just think how bad it would be if we didn't vaccinate.
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Re: Why Bible Believers Should Oppose Vaccines
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03/30/20 09:13 PM
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Loraine Day was already on to them previously. https://drday.com/sars.htmC) The super-industrialists and framers of a One World Government want to see just how easily the public AND the doctors can be manipulated by an outrageous fable that has absolutely NO basis in fact! They NOW realize they can tell the public literally ANYTHING, and they will "buy it!" NO ONE will question it, not even the supposed medical "Experts!" Herd Instinct
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Re: Why Bible Believers Should Oppose Vaccines
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From Lorraine Day, A few weeks before China started having the flu outbreak, they had forced vaccinations. A couple of months before that, they started 5G cell phone transmission. They are spraying stuff in the streets, supposedly disinfectant. But dressed to the hilt in protective gear. Nerve gas? And all this because of the common cold. https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/cold-guide/common_cold_causes
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Re: Why Bible Believers Should Oppose Vaccines
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Thank God for the polio vaccine, and the smallpox one.
I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies, and of all the truth, which Thou hast shewed unto Thy servant;... Gen 32:10
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Re: Why Bible Believers Should Oppose Vaccines
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I see vaccines starting out as a good thing which has morphed into something not so good. For example -- throughout history diphtheria and pertussis, a causative agent for whooping cough were both a leading cause of death, primarily among children. Two diseases that few parents have had to see their children suffer within the last 80 or more years. Researchers find that on average a quarter of infants died before their first birthday and half of all children died before they reached puberty. That's 50% never reached puberty. Today the global rate is 3% never reach puberty, and in western countries it is only 1% or lower. While health care in general has also improved, the vaccines have played a part in preventing these diseases in young children. However, what started out as 4 or 5 vaccines for children to shield them from disease has now been turned into a HUGE production -- By the age of one year, most children have received two to three doses of at least 15 different vaccines. That's about 40 doses of vaccines in the first year. (Often several given in combinations in each shot so it's not 40 shots). And it doesn't stop in the first year! Now, yes child death rates have decreased BUT What do we see dramatically INCREASING? The number of diagnosed cases of autism grew dramatically in the U.S. in the 1990's and early 2000's. The prevalence is 1 in 42 for boys and 1 in 189 for girls. In 1966, researchers estimated that about 1 in 2,500 children had autism. It's also interesting that third world countries seem to have a much lower ratio of autism. Scientists credit "awareness" of the disorder as the reason of the dramatic increase. Saying that back then people just weren't aware that their children had a disorder, and/or they were sent to mental institutions as mental cases. There is a strong campaign to discredit the dramatic increase of autism with having anything to do with the huge increase in vaccinations. Resourses used AutismVaccine scheduleChild mortality rates
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