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Re: Is God omniscient? [Re: ashes] #193178
10/26/20 11:57 AM
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Christ also knew that Peter would deny Him three times before the cock crowed once.

Peter said that he would never do that.

Who was correct? Was it Christ or Peter?


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Re: Is God omniscient? [Re: ashes] #193184
10/26/20 02:06 PM
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Yes, Christ KNEW, he knows what we will do --

but Peter didn't turn around and say -- "you made me do it, you determined it, I really had no choice in the matter".
No! Peter took full responsibility of his own actions. He realized Christ saw his weakness better than he did -- it wasn't predetermined, it was simply that Christ knew it would happen because Peter was too self confident. Peter wept bitterly in repentance. He realized trusting in self was a great weakness, he needed to be constantly reaching out for divine strength in Christ.

Re: Is God omniscient? [Re: dedication] #193185
10/26/20 04:47 PM
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The OP has nothing to do with Peter and Jesus.

May I suggest that if you cannot understand what the OP is querying you should desist from posting irrelevant answers. It serves only to reveal your shallow inability to grasp the deeper concepts and the implications of same.

I must confess that "ashes" is smarter than "Nadi" in that she recognized right away that no one here had either clue nor answers to her questions.


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Re: Is God omniscient? [Re: ashes] #193189
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A more useful example would be the Observer Effect, which states that the very act of observing a system changes the system.

THEREFORE:

If an all-knowing (omniscient) all-powerful (Omnipotent) god knows the outcome, that fact thereby establishes the outcome. Hence "free will" is an illusion. We "think" we are choosing something freely, but our "choice" cannot be other than the outcome.


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Re: Is God omniscient? [Re: ashes] #193193
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While God may know possibilities, God cannot know the outcome.

For example, if Christ knew that Peter would deny Him, there would be no point in asking Peter to pray. Peter had free will. Christ did not know what Peter would choose. But He did have a pretty good idea. Probably as the rest of the disciples who knew Peter.

Another example, If God knew Christ would succeed on earth, why did Christ go in and plead three times with Him for solving the sin problem? Was it a charade?

Re: Is God omniscient? [Re: kland] #193194
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Originally Posted by kland
While God may know possibilities, God cannot know the outcome.

While that would solve a lot of the problem, I'm not sure that is the typical understanding of the Christian concept of "omniscient" as applied to God. I believe Christians feel that God DOES know the outcome.

So what do you base that perspective on?


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Re: Is God omniscient? [Re: ashes] #193198
10/28/20 09:03 AM
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One can feel many things. Doesn't necessarily mean it's true. And the majority is usually wrong on many things.

Re: Is God omniscient? [Re: ashes] #193199
10/28/20 12:33 PM
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I would be very careful about saying what the Almighty God can do and can't do. That, IMO, would be treading on dangerous ground.

How do you explain all the prophecies of the Bible being fulfilled?


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Re: Is God omniscient? [Re: Daryl] #193200
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Originally Posted by Daryl
I would be very careful about saying what the Almighty God can do and can't do.

My concern is less with "what the Almighty God can do and can't do" and more with what he DOES and DOSEN'T do. Specifically, lets start with him doing what he said he will do, and doesn't do.

Originally Posted by Daryl
That, IMO, would be treading on dangerous ground.

That would be true IF there was a God. But I am less and less of that inclination.

Whereas I was once a firm believer in God, due to his inaction and lack of care I no longer am, finding no evidence for any "caring god."


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Re: Is God omniscient? [Re: Nadi] #193201
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Besides, I am not interested in a god I have to defend. Should not a god worth serving defend me? Does not the stronger entity defend the weaker?

So if YOU have to defend god by telling me to be careful what I say about god, that's not much of a god.


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