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Re: TheGarlic
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11/02/20 04:45 PM
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Nadi, the link was talking about the vaccine trials. According to the Forbes article link, how were the trials to be considered successful?
Perhaps I was the only one who educated himself about the Forbes link. I have heard the opinion put forth that vaccines eradicated small pox, measles, or polio. But unless it is subjected to a scientific experiment, it is remains just people's ideas and opinions. Nadi, do you believe in the scientific method?If so, could you present one scientific study where the scientific method has been applied to give support to the idea that vaccines prevent disease? I have searched and searched but have not found any. I might not be educated enough to know how to search, so that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. All you have to do is present one, and that would falsify me saying there isn't any.
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Re: TheGarlic
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Show me one "scientific study where the scientific method has been applied to give support to the idea that" god exists.
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Re: TheGarlic
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According to the text books:
The scientific method is a series of steps followed by scientific investigators to answer specific questions about the natural world. It involves making observations, formulating a hypothesis, and conducting scientific experiments. Scientific inquiry starts with an observation followed by the formulation of a question about what has been observed. The steps of the scientific method are as follows:
Observation Question Hypothesis Experiment Results Conclusion
Klands question fits -- as vaccines are part of our natural world that can be observed, tested, experimented with, with conclusions drawn from the results.
Nadi's question does not fit here -- It would fit better in the "God Omniscient" Thread and we could discuss it there -- or a new thread on scientific EVIDENCE that God exists.
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Re: TheGarlic
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Though curious -- the posts in this thread have pretty much stayed on the topic of vaccines.
BUT the title of the thread has me a bit perplexed... How does it define the topic?
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Re: TheGarlic
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dedication it is discouraging how many times you miss the point. <sigh>
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Re: TheGarlic
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Dedication, I think Nadi's point is that, just like people have an opinion that God exists even though it has not been scientifically proven, people have an opinion (or hope) that vaccines prevent disease even though it has not been scientifically proven. Though curious -- the posts in this thread have pretty much stayed on the topic of vaccines.
BUT the title of the thread has me a bit perplexed... How does it define the topic? Consider the word, "Garlic". Do any words immediately come to mind?
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Re: TheGarlic
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If so, could you present one scientific study where the scientific method has been applied to give support to the idea that vaccines prevent disease? I have searched and searched but have not found any. I might not be educated enough to know how to search, so that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. All you have to do is present one, and that would falsify me saying there isn't any. Not sure what you put into your search engine, but just type "effectiveness of vaccines in disease prevention" into Google and you will get PAGES of scientific studies supporting the effectiveness of vaccines in disease prevention.
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Re: TheGarlic
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Thank you for giving a search string to try. I tried that and looked at the first entry. Nothing. I looked at the second entry. Nothing. I looked at the third entry. Nothing. I looked at the fourth entry. Nothing.
Dedication listed the steps of the scientific method. Nadi, could you do your search and look at some of the entries, and compare them to what Dedication listed, and select an entry where the scientific method was applied?
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Re: TheGarlic
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Finally, someone presented a scientific paper! However, while it does have an abstract, that's the only thing I find available for reading. And when you read the abstract, it doesn't sound like it's an experimental study. For example, "Interventions are needed to improve both vaccine access and vaccine confidence" sounds like the paper isn't about testing vaccines, right?
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