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How is the end time different than what we thought. #193246
11/07/20 09:05 AM
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I was reading how many in the church thought the end times would unfold and came across this...

'will be the time when secular rulers and religious leaders are uniting to enforce Sunday worship as this will appear to be the only hope for turning away the wrath of the Lord. Seventh-Day Adventists will be in agony not knowing what to do. Should they go to church both on Saturday AND on Sunday, or should they refuse to observe Sunday sacredness and as usual go to church on the Bible Sabbath (Saturday) only. Two groups will then be forming among 7th-Day Adventists, one group which will be in conformance with the new law of the land to obey and attend Sunday worship, the other group standing firm to worship on Saturday morning only. The first group will be respectably law abiding as far as this world is concerned whereas those belonging to the second group will become outcasts and be considered the scum of this world as they refuse to fall in line with the new law of the land calling for mandatory Sunday worship. '

and now it seems so clear..


"Society is also enriched by a countless array of organizations which work to promote the common good and to defend the environment, whether natural or urban. Some, for example, show concern for a public place (a building, a fountain, an abandoned monument, a landscape, a square), and strive to protect, restore, improve or beautify it as something belonging to everyone" (232).

In a similar vein, Francis also reflects on the importance of rest: "Sunday, like the Jewish Sabbath, is meant to be a day which heals our relationships with God, with ourselves, with others and with the world? We tend to demean contemplative rest as something unproductive and unnecessary, but this is to do away with the very thing which is most important about work: its meaning. We are called to include in our work a dimension of receptivity and gratuity, which is quite different from mere inactivity. Rather, it is another way of working, which forms part of our very essence. It protects human action from becoming empty activism; it also prevents that unfettered greed and sense of isolation which make us seek personal gain to the detriment of all else? Rest opens our eyes to the larger picture and gives us renewed sensitivity to the rights of others. And so the day of rest, centred on the Eucharist, sheds it light on the whole week, and motivates us to greater concern for nature and the poor" (237).".. https://www.ncronline.org/news/earthbeat/power-love-and-need-rest

and the world listens and follows the Papacy..

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Re: How is the end time different than what we thought. [Re: Rick H] #193250
11/07/20 02:28 PM
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The chess pieces are in place.


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Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: How is the end time different than what we thought. [Re: Rick H] #193266
11/10/20 01:32 PM
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"The Green Sabbath Project was founded in 2019 by Jonathan Schorsch, founder and director of the Jewish Activism Summer School (Berlin), and professor of Jewish Religious and Intellectual History, Universit?t Potsdam."

Re: How is the end time different than what we thought. [Re: Rick H] #193285
11/14/20 08:46 PM
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My opinion on that question ---

I see most in the church imagine that in the end time some major crises will take place, people will be frightened and say "God is angry" and to appease God they will legislate Sunday and persecution will begin ending with the second coming. They see it as a full frontal attack.


People have doubted that this is possible, pointing at the huge majority of people who are atheists' or of some other persuasion that don't put their faith in scripture, or the God of scripture.

But what we are seeing is a much more deceptive method emerging.
It's coming in with "new age" wings. A tribute to "mother earth" and "common good" for everyone, not dependent upon the God of scripture, but with appeal to all society.

The danger here is that many, even among the church, will not see what is unfolding until it is too late.

Re: How is the end time different than what we thought. [Re: Rick H] #193297
11/17/20 09:21 PM
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Veith: civil sunday AND religious sunday.

Re: How is the end time different than what we thought. [Re: Rick H] #193312
11/27/20 07:38 PM
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Didn't Ellen White say somewhere that we should be out doing missionary work on Sunday during this time? Anyone remember reading that?


I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies, and of all the truth, which Thou hast shewed unto Thy servant;...
Gen 32:10
Re: How is the end time different than what we thought. [Re: Rick H] #193313
11/27/20 07:42 PM
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Here it is : https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/115.1307

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Dear Brother,

I will try to answer your question as to what you should do in the case of Sunday laws being enforced.
The light given me by the Lord at a time when we were expecting just such a crisis as you seem to be approaching, was that when the people were moved by a power from beneath to enforce Sunday observance, Seventh-day Adventists were to show their wisdom by refraining from their ordinary work on that day, devoting it to missionary effort. To defy the Sunday laws will but strengthen in their persecution the religious zealots who are seeking to enforce them. Give them no occasion to call you lawbreakers. If they are left to rein up men who fear neither God nor man, the reining up will soon lose its novelty for them, and they will see that it is not consistent nor convenient for them to be strict in regard to the observance of Sunday. Keep right on with your missionary work, with your Bibles in your hands, and the enemy will see that he has worsted his own cause. One does not receive the mark of the beast because he shows that he realizes the wisdom of keeping the peace by refraining from work that gives offense, doing at the same time a work of the highest importance. When we devote Sunday to missionary work, the whip will be taken out of the hands of the arbitrary zealots who would be well pleased to humiliate Seventh-day Adventists. When they see that we employ ourselves on Sunday in visiting the people and opening the Scriptures to them, they will know that it is useless for them to try to hinder our work by making Sunday laws. Sunday can be used for carrying forward various lines of work that will accomplish much for the Lord. On this day open-air meetings and cottage meetings can be held. House-to-house work can be done. Those who write can devote this day to writing their articles. Whenever it is possible, let religious services be held on Sunday. Make these meetings intensely interesting. Sing genuine revival hymns, and speak with power and assurance of the Saviour's love. Speak on temperance and on true religious experience. You will thus learn much about how to work, and will reach many souls.


I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies, and of all the truth, which Thou hast shewed unto Thy servant;...
Gen 32:10
Re: How is the end time different than what we thought. [Re: kland] #193319
11/28/20 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by kland
Veith: civil sunday AND religious sunday.


The mark on the hand AND the mark on the forehead, and we are seeing it emerge.

Re: How is the end time different than what we thought. [Re: Theophilus] #193320
11/28/20 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Theophilus


Here it is : https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/115.1307

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Dear Brother,

I will try to answer your question as to what you should do in the case of Sunday laws being enforced.
The light given me by the Lord at a time when we were expecting just such a crisis as you seem to be approaching, was that when the people were moved by a power from beneath to enforce Sunday observance, Seventh-day Adventists were to show their wisdom by refraining from their ordinary work on that day, devoting it to missionary effort. To defy the Sunday laws will but strengthen in their persecution the religious zealots who are seeking to enforce them. Give them no occasion to call you lawbreakers. If they are left to rein up men who fear neither God nor man, the reining up will soon lose its novelty for them, and they will see that it is not consistent nor convenient for them to be strict in regard to the observance of Sunday. Keep right on with your missionary work, with your Bibles in your hands, and the enemy will see that he has worsted his own cause. One does not receive the mark of the beast because he shows that he realizes the wisdom of keeping the peace by refraining from work that gives offense, doing at the same time a work of the highest importance. When we devote Sunday to missionary work, the whip will be taken out of the hands of the arbitrary zealots who would be well pleased to humiliate Seventh-day Adventists. When they see that we employ ourselves on Sunday in visiting the people and opening the Scriptures to them, they will know that it is useless for them to try to hinder our work by making Sunday laws. Sunday can be used for carrying forward various lines of work that will accomplish much for the Lord. On this day open-air meetings and cottage meetings can be held. House-to-house work can be done. Those who write can devote this day to writing their articles. Whenever it is possible, let religious services be held on Sunday. Make these meetings intensely interesting. Sing genuine revival hymns, and speak with power and assurance of the Saviour's love. Speak on temperance and on true religious experience. You will thus learn much about how to work, and will reach many souls.


That is good for the religious side, but the civil side presents many unforeseen issues.

Re: How is the end time different than what we thought. [Re: Rick H] #193321
11/28/20 12:20 PM
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Ok. but why worry about it? You know the time is coming. Here is a blueprint. she says to be involved in missionary work, and to have meetings and sing the old hymns Why dont you just do what she says? Looks like, from the last line, that souls can be won?

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You will thus learn much about how to work, and will reach many souls.


This is what we should do.
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When they see that we employ ourselves on Sunday in visiting the people and opening the Scriptures to them, they will know that it is useless for them to try to hinder our work by making Sunday laws. Sunday can be used for carrying forward various lines of work that will accomplish much for the Lord. On this day open-air meetings and cottage meetings can be held. House-to-house work can be done. Those who write can devote this day to writing their articles. Whenever it is possible, let religious services be held on Sunday. Make these meetings intensely interesting. Sing genuine revival hymns, and speak with power and assurance of the Saviour's love

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