People during the first and during the second world war thought probation had or was about to close.

World War One was one of the bloodiest conflicts in mankind?s history, and saw over 16 million military deaths. When combined, the total number of civilian and military casualties (dead and wounded) is normally estimated at around 37 million people. Though those are estimates based on observable figures, many more, especially of civilians killed would have increased the count.

Serbia was probably the worst hit country. They pretty much fulfilled the 1/3 deaths of the entire population during WW1.
Then came the "Spanish Flu" 1918. That took out another 5% of the world's population. Add that to the military deaths.

World War two, was also Terrible. Yes, my own dad was in that war. The school companions he grew up with, -- only two came back alive. And remember the "scourged earth" policies? Farms, towns, forests utterly ruined in huge swaths.

As far as the angel's holding the winds of strife is concerned --
I don't think anyone can claim that no "Trees" or "Grass" or massive destruction on sea, has been allowed since the "sealing time" began in 1844.
Trees represent prominent leaders that stand above the grass, the grass being their subjects, the common people. The sea refers more to nations of people and tribes.

But obviously terrible winds have brought destruction to trees and grass and terrible destructive fires have ravaged nations already, just because our little corner of the world is somewhat peaceful, there are many people who have or are now suffering severe trauma and losses. Maybe probation is already closed, if no winds of strife can blow before probation closes? If the first trumpet sounding means probation has closed, then it's very likely probation is already closed.



So the point is:

No, I don't believe probation is already closed.
Neither do I believe the first six trumpets are future.
All of those trumpets were restrained, held under a certain level, allowed only a certain limit of activity in destruction.


Revelation 7 answers the question asked in the sixth seal "Who will be able to stand"?
The sixth seal takes us up to the very last days when everything and everyone seems to be destroyed.

THE SIXTH SEAL ENDS WITH
6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The answer comes in chapter seven:
1. The four angels will not allow the winds of strife to destroy the whole world.
2. The destruction of the world, pictured in Revelation 6:14-17 is being held back until God's people are all sealed and ready to stand on that great day of His wrath.

It's obvious from history (including recent history) the winds ARE BLOWING sometimes very fiercely, and appear to be bent on destroying everything, but they are held under control, enough so God's people can be sealed before they are released to do unchecked damage.

Revelation chapter 8, verse two and onward begin another revelation of events covering the Christian era.
1. Christ's interceding work throughout the Christian era.
2. The "wake up" calls sent out to pull the world back from rushing on into full destruction and repent as the road the world is on is heading straight into destruction. Those trumpets are given as examples to the world while there is still time for repentance.

The first trumpet, I believe, is the destruction of a city, that was built to portray the story of Redemption and present to the world the Messiah, the Savior of the World. When they, as a nation, rejected their calling, and refused the Messiah, the four angels, could no longer restrain the winds of strife.
their city and nation suffered the full force of unprotected fury of those winds.
But even there God's grace was still present, as all who followed Christ's instructions as to when to flee, were saved.

And yes, it is a warning for us. For it is an example of what will be very soon now.

"In the destruction of Jerusalem the destruction of the world is typified."

If we think the winds have been blowing since 1844, the four angels are disqualified for their task. God commanded them, "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, TILL we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads" (emphasis mine). The sealing must be completed to release their hold of the winds according to the context of Rev. 7:1-3.

In order words, the historical approach to interpreting Rev. 7:1-3 mislead as to the four angels' hold leaked. Numerous wars have occurred from 1844 until now while the sealing work has progressed. It is nonsense to think that wars have happened due to the angels' punctured hands have had leaks for the winds to go through.

The interpretation of the context must be with the sanctuary model, which conveys plagues will come at the end. Prophet Jeremiah told us that the wind represents evil/plague.
Jer. 25:32 "Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great WHIRLWIND shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth." (Emphasis mine).
Jer. 49:36 "And upon Elam will I bring the FOUR WINDS from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come" (Emphasis mine).

Actually Karen, I think believing the angels are stopping the seven trumpets from blowing is where the confusion lies. Those first six trumpets predicted wars and the pollution of truth. They have sounded and we need to take warning. It's not something in the future, they are blasting their warnings all along history. Don't think there is something coming in the future that will wake us up. The call has been all along, Wake up, wake up, there is a serious war taking place!!! Wars and disasters are constantly occurring even now, yes WINDS are blowing.

On Monday morning Feb. 6,2023, a 7.8-magnitude earthquake struck southern Turkey, followed by a 7.5-magnitude quake nine hours later, resulting in the deaths of thousands of people.
Turkey is home to millions of refugees from the war already, struggling simply to get the very basic necessities for life. Now at least 7000 dead, tens of thousands still trapped or even dead under the rubble.
ABC News Feb. 7,2023
THE WINDS ARE BLOWING!!!!

By the way -- it's not God causing these disasters described in the six trumpets
He is allowing Satan to demonstrate his idea of running things. That's what this whole controversy is about. Satan accused God of being too restrictive with His law, and righteous ways. Deceived 1/3 of the angels. So God is allowing Satan to demonstrate his "liberated" government plan.
Hopefully people will see the utter horror of Satan's ways, and turn to God. Every one of those trumpets was a wake up call. Look at the reality they say -- the people chose Satan's rule and followed his seductive ideas of liberation from God's ways and laws! Yes, God retreats, removes the protective hedge, the people's own passions, greed, bring their destruction, armies come and conquer, as God allows Satan ever increasing freedom to demonstrate his policies. The winds are blowing. They were already blowing in Jeremiah's day!
Look, they say, this is what happens when you follow the wrong leader, please, please, God calls, turn from your evil ways and come to Me and live!

You quoted Jeremiah 25:32 You realize Jeremiah's prophecy had dual meaning.
Jeremiah 25:1 The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah.....
It was first a prophecy of the coming doom upon the city of Jerusalem by Babylon's king Nebuchadnezzar. That doom would include all the idolatress nations in the whole area which would be conquered and devastated by human armies. And that whirlwind came back in Jeremiah's time with devastating force.
Jeremiah then sees far in the future when what was about to happen locally in his time, would in the end of time happen to the whole world.

So yes, the winds have been blowing and tearing people's lives apart for a long time. They are the result of sin!

What is the four angel's commission????
No, don't condemn them due to all the winds that are blowing. Try to understand their mission instead.

It certainly isn't to bind Satan in the bottomless pit YET. He's going about like a roaring lion, causing ever increasing distress, confusion, horror and disruption to people's lives as well as trying to uproot spiritual growth. The daily news verifies this! Satan is whipping up whirlwinds and winds of strife, and disaster everywhere he and his demons go.

IF THOSE FOUR ANGEL'S WEREN'T HOLDING BACK the winds of strife, this earth would self destruct in short order.
They are keeping the world from destroying itself!!!! So God's people can sound the warning and people can get right with the Lord and escape.

When they let go -- yes, probation will be over and a time of trouble such as never was will engulf the world.
Our liberties will be gone. The work of winning souls will be no more.
Then the seven plagues will fall. The seven plagues are NOT the seven trumpets. God steps in to deliver His people.

It won't be 1/3 of this or 1/3 of that,
These are symbolic prophecies and 1/3 is symbolic representing a significant judgment but only a minority (a symbolic 1/3) implicated.
Those trumpets with their restrictions were "wake up" calls all along the way to alert people to the nature of the master they were serving and call them to repentance to turn to the loving Savior Who is offering them life and interceding for them at the altar of incense.

In the seventh trumpet we hear that nations were angry, Christ does His closing work in the Most Holy at the ark of the testament, then He stands up to take the power into His own hands, to give the reward of life to the saints and destroy those who destroy the earth, and He will reign forever and ever .

When those four angels let go

The four angels are the four living creatures. They are the identical beings. If the four angels are releasing the four corners of the earth at the point of the completion of the sealing work of God, one of them will give the golden bowl to the seven angels to pour out the wrath of God.

Rev. 15:7 "And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever."

The four angels are prepared to release their hold until the voice of God from the temple commands them to do so.

Rev. 9:13 "... and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God."

Rev. 9:14 "Saying...Loose the four angels..."

Rev. 9:15 They "were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." This passage speaks of a point in time. Instantly, the four angels release their hold because the probation is over. Jesus declared, "It is done" from the sanctuary.

Rev.16:17 "...there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."

The voice from the four horns is the indisputable voice of God, which is the final response to the ministry of Jesus' intercession. The four horns represent mercy of God as long as Jesus is there to intercede. There was a great voice out of the temple of heaven that Jesus said, "It is done." Simultaneously, God the Father commands to release the four angels' hold on the winds.

The horsemen of heaven, which are the holy angels of 200 millions, are released to slay one third of wicked on the earth those who receive the mark of the beast and worshipped him.

Rev. 9:16, 15b "And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them." "for to slay the third part of men."

Karen wrote: The four angels are the four living creatures. They are the identical beings.

That is speculation. The four living Creatures, as we are told by Ezekiel, carry God's throne. They are very much part of God's throne room. Would they be stationed as holding back the full fury of evil's destructive power? Not saying they aren't, just that I don't think they are the same.


If the four angels are releasing the four corners of the earth at the point of the completion of the sealing work of God, one of them will give the golden bowl to the seven angels to pour out the wrath of God.
Rev. 15:7 "And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever."

Whoever the four angels holding back the winds of strife are, yes when they fully let go, probation will be over, BUT then the seven plagues follow, not the trumpets; the seven trumpets were sounding while Christ was interceding at the golden altar -- they are a different part.
Rev. 15:6-7 Out of the temple came seven angels having the seven plagues..Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls.....


The four angels are prepared to release their hold until the voice of God from the temple commands them to do so.
Rev. 9:13 "... and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God."
Rev. 9:14 "Saying...Loose the four angels..."
Rev. 9:15 They "were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." This passage speaks of a point in time.

To me, its obvious these are not the same angels as we saw in Revelation 7. The four angels in Rev 7 stand at the four corners of the earth, HOLDING the four winds of the earth that the winds should not blow.till God's people are sealed...
Rev. 7's angels are God's angels commissioned to hold back the evil that is seeking to disrupt the gospel message and destroy the earth. They are holding back evil,. When those angels let go evil will reign unchecked on earth

Revelation 9:14 four angels in the sixth trumpet aren't holding back anything, They aren't on the "four corners of the earth", they are BOUND at the Euphrates. They are evil angels, all ready to demonstrating the destructive, greed of Satan. They will marshal army after army for 391 years.
The meaning of the time seems to be that they were prepared, not for the commencement of such a period, but they were prepared for the whole period indicated by the hour, the day, the month, and the year; that is, for the 391 years, of this "woe"


Rev. 9:15 They "were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." This passage speaks of a point in time. Instantly, the four angels release their hold because the probation is over. Jesus declared, "It is done" from the sanctuary.
Rev.16:17 "...there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."

Ah, I see the voice out of the temple of heaven saying it is done " after the seventh angel poured out his bowl (the seventh PLAGUE)
Revelation 16:17after the seventh angel poured out his bowl and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven from the throne saying "It is done!"


The voice from the four horns is the indisputable voice of God, which is the final response to the ministry of Jesus' intercession. The four horns represent mercy of God as long as Jesus is there to intercede. There was a great voice out of the temple of heaven that Jesus said, "It is done." Simultaneously, God the Father commands to release the four angels' hold on the winds.

I'm sorry but isn't the above mixing texts that are talking about two different times and things?
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1. I read in Rev. 16:17 that the voice saying IT IS DONE, happens after the seventh angel poured out his bowl (after the seventh and last plague)
When Jesus says IT IS DONE, that's it, Finished.

2. Yes as long as Jesus is at the golden altar He is interceding for the people. But there is nothing in Rev. 9:15 of anything being finished. The mention of the altar of incense is the same as Rev. 8:2 where Christ is interceding, it is reassurance that Christ is still there interceding, even though four evil angels will be allowed to create a lot of trouble. Allowing the trouble is in hopes people will repent. Repentance is still open during the sixth trumpet..

The temple is opened and the ark of the testament is seen during the SEVENTH Trumpet. Rev. 11:19. The angels with the plagues don't come out before Christs work in the Most Holy is completed. Only then will the seven angels having the seven plague come out the temple where the ark is located. (Rev. 15:5-6)


The horsemen of heaven, which are the holy angels of 200 millions, are released to slay one third of wicked on the earth those who receive the mark of the beast and worshipped him.
Rev. 9:16, 15b "And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them." "for to slay the third part of men."


I really have a hard time thinking the horsemen of the sixth trumpet are of heavenly origin and that this is the second coming.
The armies that destroyed the symbolic 1/3 were human armies allowed to plunder a polluted church/state, as wake up call, when repentance was still possible

When Jesus returns with His thousand times ten thousand, thousands of angels, those angels weren't released from bindings in order to come. They will be rejoicing for they will bring the redeemed home!!!
It won't be just 1/3 of those with the mark of the beast that will die at that time, nor will those angels do any killing. When Jesus comes, it will be 3/3, 100% of all those not wearing Christ's robe of righteousness who will be consumed by the brightness of His coming...They failed to put on the protective robe Christ had offered to give them.
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When a voice comes out of the temple it is obvious that it is the voice of God. In the context of Rev. 9:13, God the Father commanded something, then something transpired.

So, what has transpired as the result of God's command?
Rev. 9:15 says 1/3 of men are to be slayed. By who? By the 200 million horsemen.
Why would God slay that many wicked all at once? Can the justice of God be explained in the seemingly brutal act by commanding His angels to do such thing?

Some class of speculative interpretation believe that God killed those who opposed Christianity over the period of 391 years in the past. I can't picture the merciful God to do such so irrational act before the Day of the Lord. Aren't there those who still oppose Christianity even in our days? If so, why would the slaying ceased at 18th century as some suggest?

The description of the slaying is clearly detailed as to weapons they use: 1)fire, 2)smoke, 3)brimstone.

Those weapons(fire, smoke, brimstone) are called "these plagues" (Rev. 9:20). What these particular three things have implications and upon whom? Are there three entities that are mentioned and deserve such punishment in the seven last plagues?

Yes, Rev. 16:13 mentions of the three unclean spirits that are active when the sixth plague is poured out. They use their mouth to deceive people and perform miracles.

"And I saw three unclean spirts like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet."

Notice, that the horsemen bring "these plagues" of fire, smoke, brimstone "out of their mouths" (Rev. 9:18) to punish the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet. The sixth plague has its counterpart with the sixth trumpet's warning. In other words, the sixth trumpets along with all of the other trumpets warning is spelled out relevant to the coming seven last plagues.

Amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

Karen wrote: So, what has transpired as the result of God's command?

First we need to clarify as to what was God's command?

9:13-14 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

So the command is to loose the four angels.
That's all that the command contains. Loose the four angels that were imprisoned, bound at the river Euphrates.
That command was obeyed. What happens after is NOT at the command of God. It is allowed because the binding holding back four angels was released.
Jude 1:6 tells us there are angels who left their first estate who are chained in darkness.
However, when people refuse to let God be their Savior, God will allow the master of their choice to have more power, to show what happens when His protection is removed.

It happened all the time in the history of Israel. Israel went after other gods, God removed His protective power, the result was armies like Syrians, Assyrians, Babylonian, Roman, came and harassed and killed many thousands.


Karen wrote: Rev. 9:15 says 1/3 of men are to be slayed. By who? By the 200 million horsemen.
Why would God slay that many wicked all at once? Can the justice of God be explained in the seemingly brutal act by commanding His angels to do such thing?

1. Scripture doesn't say it was His angels doing this. It doesn't say it was all at once, Nor does it say God commanded or did it.
It was done by millions of horsemen -- millitary armies marshalled by those four of angels whose master was probably the "angel of the bottomless pit" called Apollyn who was already given greater freedom to reveal his destructive character in the fifth trumpet.

By the 5th trumpet the powers calling themselves Christian, had hugely counterfeited the plan of salvation by their own human substitutions and were persecuting true believers. By rejecting the true Savior they were rejecting His blessings and protection. In the fifth trumpet the master they had chosen (Apollyn from the bottemless pit) already started amassing armies to torment the Christian world. But it was restricted, they harassed but did not destroy these strong Christian powers.
But the Christian powers didn't repent nor did they return to the Saving power of Christ.

So in the 6th trumpet the powers of evil were released more.
Armies were marshalled, army after army over the whole 391 years. During those 391 years the Byzantine Empire was destroyed, and the power (papal) of the west as the "holy Roman Empire" came to its end. Indeed, 1/3 was destroyed.

Karen wrote: Some class of speculative interpretation believe that God killed those who opposed Christianity over the period of 391 years in the past. I can't picture the merciful God to do such so irrational act before the Day of the Lord. Aren't there those who still oppose Christianity even in our days? If so, why would the slaying ceased at 18th century as some suggest?


First, What is irrational about God withdrawing His protection from people who have rejected His saving power and have chosen a different master to follow? It was the master they had chosen who delighted in destruction. Remember this world of sin is allowed to exist to show the whole universe what Satan's charge and methods are all about.
The door of mercy was always open all those 391 years, all they needed to do was turn back to God and forsake their self uplifting ways.

At the end of the 391 years, by 1841, Christianity was freed from tyrannical powers, and light was able to again flow freely, Bibles were printed, people could read God's Word freely. And God raised up the last church to preach the three angels message. The second coming was brought into focus.

That's what happened at the end of the 391 years.
Religious freedom!!!

But will people learn?
What do we see now. Revelation 13? Yes, the beast is almost completely healed, the second beast is repudiating it's constitution and starting to speak more and more like the dragon. Things are heading straight into the final crises.
But this time it won't be trumpets holding back 2/3's of the destruction. In the very near future it will be the plagues and in the end, when Christ says it is DONE, and comes in the clouds of glory 100% of those who refuse the offer of salvation Christ offered, will be lost.

Yes, time is definitely running out for those living in this world today, with the messages of the three angels sounding the final warning.

It is crystal clear that a voice came from the temple is the God's voice. The four horns are upon the golden altar where Jesus is interceding. The broad perspective of the sixth trumpet indicates that God the Father responds to Jesus' intercession, which depicted as a voice came from the four horns.

Keep in mind that the sixth trumpet sounded after Jesus cast the fire from the golden altar into the earth, which indicates this event will happen after the close of probation, like all the other trumpets' events.

Rev. 8:5 "And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake."
This text clearly presents the concept of the close of probation. Using the sanctuary model, it is evident that a high priest performed this act at the end of the day of atonement, and Jesus as Our High Priest leaves the Most Holy Place in the heavenly sanctuary after finishing His intercession.

Rev. 8:6 "And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound." See, the seven angels prepared themselves to sound the seven trumpets.

Who are the four angels? The four angels have a strong connection with the four angels who are holding back the four winds of destruction in 7:1. The four angels are restrained of the destructive forces until the sealing work has completed. When God the Father commands that the four angels loose their hold, they are to release from their restraint to slay 1/3 of mankind. These terrible forces are to be unleashed by God to do their devastating work at the end.

I see a fascinating connections that emerge between the four angels of Chapter 9:13 with 7:1, which confirmed by the definite article "the four angels." The four horns are before the golden altar and we find texts of"an angel came out from the altar" (Rev. 14:18) and "I heard another [angel] out of the altar say" that support the four angels are good angels, not demonic.

The four angels were bound because of God's command to hold the winds. The word, bound, often suggests to our preconceived mind of idea that the four angels are the evil angels. Not necessarily! Let's think more carefully. The word bound here represents a circumstance that causes the restraint until the end instead an exact locality of Euphrates.

A connotation of Euphrates suggests the end of a boundary, which the Garden of Eden(Gen. 2:14) and covenant with Abraham(Gen. 1518) imply the meaning.

Thus, the release of the four angels at the end of the world(Euphrates) suggests the close of probation. Each of the seven trumpets message is strongly linked with the snapshot of Jesus' intercession ministry in the heavenly sanctuary, and when He cast the fire from the altar, that indicates the each trumpet event calls for the close of probation in unity of the message.

In 7:3 the four angels who had power to harm were restrained until sealing the foreheads of God's people. The saints have now been sealed, and it is time to release the forces of destruction.

I totally disagree that the trumpets all happen after probation closes.
They have been sounding all through the Christian era. We are now in the Seventh Trumpet, when Christ is in the Most Holy Place, and is about to come out.
When people insist Revelation's visions are all sequential they are not following the pattern which is seen all through the book.
Is it realistic to assume scene depicted in Revelation means all the verses that follow happen after the heavenly scene is finished? John takes scenes to their conclusion and then the visions cycle back and go over the same territory again from a different view.

Christ's full sanctuary work is portrayed in Rev. 8:2-5

1. Holy Place Christ ministering before the alter of incense
2. Most Holy as He gathers the coals and puts them in the censer, something the High Priest always did on the day of atonement, taking the smoking incense with Him into the Most Holy where the ark of the testimony was, (this parallels with the seventh trumpet where the ark is first seen)
3. Work Completed, yes, when the High Priest comes OUT of the temple, the censor is cast down. (thunder, voices, lightning - we hear that at the end of the seventh trumpet, after all the other trumpets had sounded,
But notice, Revelation 11:19, parallels the time when Christ goes into the most holy where the ark of the testimony is seen, and it's only then the end of probationary time comes -- at the end of the seventh trumpet)

Christ's heavenly ministry all took place in heaven DURING the time the trumpets were blowing calling people to avail themselves of Christ's saving power and repent, come to HIM.

The parallels between the different phases of Christ's ministry, and the seven different trumpets are there for all who wish to see.






1. The position of the seven trumpets in the book of Revelation does not support putting them all into a time period when probation is closed and there is no more room for repentance. The first 12 chapters of Revelations give us the history both of Christ's work since His ascension and also the history of the Christian Church. A history that Satan and the papacy does not want people to know about.

2. Putting those prophecies all into the future was the work of the counter reformation. Why? Because the historicist interpretation exposed, beyond a shadow of doubt the great deception which had come over the Christian Church.

That deception was exposed during the time of the reformation. Though disagreeing on many points, those reformers were united in exposing a powerful church in great apostacy.

Zechariah's vision of the woman in the basket gives us a picture of what happened.
The history is built on Israel's deportation into Babylon well over 2000 years ago, but has clear meaning for the Christian era as well.
The woman in the basket initially represented the Jewish church back then, but also an example of the Christian Church during the Christian era, full of wickedness, being carried off into Babylon to set up a Babylonian polluted "christian" church.
She has a lead lid covering her, hiding her wickedness as she is being carried away by two storks (unclean birds representing false spirits, the dove of the Holy Spirit is not seen)
She is the woman of Rev. 17, and 18.

In Zechariah's vision, the lid was removed for a short time, and it was seen what she was, -wickedness- but then the lid was replaced once again hiding her wickedness, and lifting her up, and she set up her Babylonian religion in Babylon, and God's true people were called to come out.

That's what happened. During the Reformation when the historicist interpretation was followed, the papal church was exposed, the lead lid was lifted, her identity as the unfaithful wicked one, was revealed,. But how hard everyone worked to put that lid firmly back in place so people won't see her deceptive wickedness, and she could be lifted up and honored, and established.


2. Those trumpets all sounded already DURING Christ's intercessory ministry. They are full of information as to what the forces of deception that are warring against the true believers are all about.
3.. They are warnings of what Satan is doing, while Christ is offering pardon and life to the inhabitants of the earth., deceptions are made popular to turn people away from the truth of salvation, and led them into destruction
4. They are still restrained, wake up calls, showing without the protection of God, the forces of evil will destroy, why do people put their trust in them?..
5. When we get to the second half of Revelation we see all these deceptions being revived and gathered for the final battle.

Do you really believe God is going to go through several cycles of torture and punishment upon those who rejected Him?

,No! He will step back and let Satan have his last great display of rebellion, and when Satan influences his subjects to completely destroy God's people, God will step in, at this time and He sends the final plagues to DELIVER His people.