Jesus says, John 14:16 And I (ONE) will pray the Father (TW0), and he shall give you another (THREE) Comforter, that he (that third other comforter) may abide with you for ever;

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost (that other comforter the third member), whom the Father will send in my name (that OTHER comforter comes in Christ's name), he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:13 It shall be when he, the Spirit of truth, (this third member) is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself (this third member does NOT speak about Himself); but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
John 15:26 When the Comforter (this third person) is come, whom I (Jesus the second person) will send unto you from the Father (the first person), even the Spirit of truth, which proceeds (he comes) from the Father, he (that other comforter the third person) shall testify of me (Jesus the second person):

So yes, John 14:16 says ANOTHER comforter will abide with you forever
And yes, John also says Jesus and the Father will abide with us.


They are three, but they are all on the same "wave length" of thought, emotion, purpose, and even on experience. They know each others every thought and experience.
While scientific knowledge about quantum physics is very limited and not fully understood, yet the work on quantum physics helps open understanding that there are other dimensions. Especially quantum entanglement, gives us glimpses as to how three can be ONE to the point where when one is present, all three are present by that one, yet they are three distinct entities'.

In some way quantum entanglement theory is showing that elements that are separated physically from each other, are yet somehow still very much linked and exhibit their same qualities and responses through both time and space, as if they were still together?..

John 14:16,17: "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever -- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

What do you think Jesus is saying here?

Jesus will pray the Father, and the Father will give you (believing humans) ANOTHER Helper (the Holy Spirit) that He (the Holy Spirit) may always abide with you. He (the Holy Spirit) is the Spirit of truth, but the world doesn't acknowledge or receive Him because they don't know truth, they don't know Him, and they have never seen Him. But you know Him (the Spirit of truth) for He (the Spirit of truth) dwells with you and will dwell in you.

What does He mean, that they know Him for He dwells with them, if He hasn't been given yet?

I would say, He has been given and will be given even more, but we must desire for Him to dwell with us.

Acts 2:1-4
King James Version
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

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The Spirit of Truth (The Holy Spirit) has been here and active since creation.
He was active before the flood, striving with humans to bring them back to God.
Gen. 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man.


The Holy Spirit was with Joseph
Genesis 41:38 a man in whom is the Spirit of God.

It even descended on Saul just before he became Israel's first king.
1 Samuel 10:10 And when they came over to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him (Saul) ; and the spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them.

All the prophets spoke and wrote and prophesized under the power of the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Spirit.

Nehemiah 9:20 reveals the Holy Spirit's being active in the Old Testament teaching truth. "You gave your good Spirit to instruct them" (see also verse 30).



Jesus described the work of the Holy Spirit to Nicodemous in John 3. The Spirit was active influencing people's hearts even while Jesus was on earth.

However, it was AFTER Christ's death, resurrection, and ascension that the truth of what had just happened exploded under the great outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Even the disciples, who had believed previously in Jesus, had NOT understood the truth of His mission, until after His death, resurrection and ascension. But now the Holy Spirit filled them with the wonder of the true meaning of it all, and empowered them to preach and proclaim the message of salvation.


We, in our time, are not experiencing this "outpouring". Yes, the Holy Spirit is present and at work, but not with the power of that "early rain" regeneration and empowering our church members.
We need the latter rain, just as much as the disciples needed the early rain. Somehow it's not that the Holy Spirit is not here, but rather that the people are not open and longing to receive the Spirit of TRUTH, and if they did receive more "power" from the Holy Spirit, they would probably use it to their own glory.

It sounds like you are trying to say Jesus was not talking about Himself as the one dwelling with them.

So why do you think Jesus said that in light of the above? Do you think they are disjointed statements?

We need to read the full context and we find that it is the whole Godhead dwelling with us!
Yes, all three persons of the Godhead are longing to dwell with us and will if we just listen to the still small voice of the Holy Spirit.
To understand one needs to try to understand (we can never fully understand) the ONENESS of three distinct persons yet dwelling in perfect oneness Godhead.
1 times 1 times 1 = equals a solid 1

In the book of John we find Jesus is revealing the awesome oneness of God yet three persons.

He tells us those who see Jesus see the Father, (even thought they've only seen Jesus) yet they see the Father. They are two, but still there is a Oneness that when we see one, we see both.
14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
14:8 Philip said unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it suffices us.
14:9 Jesus said unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you, Show us the Father?
15:24 but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.


Christ was "in the Father" God the Father was "in Christ" two living distinct persons, who are "one".
So the Spirit is "in Christ" and "Christ is in the Spirit" it's two, living distinct persons, who are "one"
The Godhead has three distinct living persons, who are "one" not the same persons, but three persons bond in divine oneness.

"There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers --the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" {BTS, March 1, 1906 par. 2}

The Comforter comes in Christ' name as His representative. He testifies of Christ. He does not speak about himself, He comes to glorify Christ. Note-- He does not speak about himself, His mission is to present Jesus and point people to Christ.

14:26 The comforter which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father, he (the Holy Spirit) shall testify of me (Jesus):
16:13 he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
16:14 He (The Holy Spirit) shall glorify me (Jesus)

What we see when we look at the overall context is that when one member of the eternal Godhead is present, the fullness of the Godhead is present. -- where One is, all three are seen.

So Who abides with us?

14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

So yes, the Holy Spirit may abide with us for ever.
The Father and Christ also abide with us.

Quantum physics is trying to figure out how two or more objects can be distinct, yet their relational "entanglement" means they operate as one. Scientists are searching and finding some rather amazing, but imperfect information.

But the true and perfect "entanglement", that is beyond scientific knowledge, originates in the Godhead -- three living persons, but One God.

Expedient for Jesus to go so the Holy Spirit can come to them.

Obviously the scriptures tell us the Holy Spirit has always been at work in this world, even when Jesus was here physically, the Holy Spirit was working to draw people to Christ, to enlighten people's minds to understand the truth about Jesus and salvation, so what does it mean for the disciples that Jesus needs to go so the Holy Spirit can be poured out for them.

1. First, Jesus (Who had died, and risen again in His humanity) needed to go back to the Father and be inaugurated in the heavenly sanctuary to begin His ministry as priest in the atonement for mankind. As Phil 2 points out, Christ laid aside the high honors that were His prior to the incarnation, and now (in His glorified humanity which He retains for all eternity) was to be exalted . Also to have His earthly ministry and sacrifice accepted by God the father, as all sufficient to save sinners, and for Him (in His glorified humanity) to be seated on the Father's right side, with power and authority.
""It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us." Romans 8:34.



2. Secondly, As long as Jesus was with them, in person, the object of the disciples' faith would always be directed to the physical presence of the man, Jesus. Not that, that is bad, it had been their privilege for over three years. But how could they spread the gospel if they felt dependent on being in Jesus physical presence for answers to their questions. Their own prayers and spiritual connection with heaven would perpetually be pushed aside, in favor of physically going to Jesus for His judgment and council.

In short, Jesus' physical presence in some sense limits the depth of their reliance on God. It also limits how many people Jesus can influence at once. The Holy Spirit, on the other hand, would be with them, bringing them into connection with Christ and Father where ever they went.

John 14:17,18 "the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. "I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Yes, you've said similar previously.
Is there the slightest possibility that you may not understand the Godhead, how two distinct entities together make up the Holy Spirit? That Jesus in verse 18, was referring to Himself as related to vs. 16, and 17, and not some long future time that they would long be dead?

I think that was the important part of all what you said. No longer being physical, allowed Jesus and the Father to become the Holy Spirit to dwell within them. For if Jesus didn't die, He could not do that.