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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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06/13/24 11:31 AM
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The fifth Plague: please notice the key words - the seat of the beast; full of darkness; gnawed tongues for pain; blasphemed God; repent not.
Rev. 16:10-11 "And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
the fifth Trumpet: please notice the key words - the star fall from heaven(= the angel of the bottomless pit); darken the sun and air; desire to die but death flee from them; ten elements (of determined nature of the beast).
Rev. 9:1-11 Please read the text.
I see the parallelism between the fifth Plague and Trumpet;
1) the seat of the beast => the fallen star which is the angel of the bottomless pit (= the beast); 2) full of spiritual darkness => darken the sun and air by the reason of the smoke (Catholic system intercepts prayers of saints); 3) gnawed tongues for pain => seek death but flees from them (shall be tormented by refusing to be sealed of God); 4) repented not => ferocious descriptions of the ten elements of the fallen star(= the beast=Catholic).
The reformers risen out from Catholic through the Dark Ages in history. Their cry is "how long, O Lord, avenge our blood?" This is the fifth seal description. God told them to wait until the number of martyrs are filled. Rev. 18:20 and 19:2 indicate when the time of God's recompense is. Rev. 18:20 "Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her." Rev. 19:2 "For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand."
The fifth church of Sardis has the background of Reformation Period. Rev. 3:4 "Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy."
There is a profound understanding in the method a linier perspective for interpreting Revelation of the four pillars.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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06/21/24 08:34 AM
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The comparison of the four pillars, seven churches, seals, trumpets, and plagues in the fifth linear starkly reveals the presence of impending death.
The fifth church condition teeters on the edge of this grim reality. Rev. 3:1-2 "...I?know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.."
The fifth seal indicates that the martyrs are crying out from under the altar, seeking vengeance for their blood. Rev. 6:9-10 "...he souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:?And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"
God inflicts the fifth plague on the Papacy, the seat of the beast that persecuted and killed reformers during the Middle Ages. Rev. 16:10-11 "And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds."
The identity of the fallen star in the fifth trumpet is that of the angel of the bottomless pit where spiritual darkness resides. Rev. 9:1-11 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven?....the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."
In the fifth element of the four pillars, we discover the root cause of the issue and why God must punish the seat of the beast.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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07/11/24 11:41 AM
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The discussion and insight reveal the prophetic perspective within the fifth element of the four pillars, requiring more than belief. It demands faith in action, specifically through the proclamation of the Seven Trumpets' message.
God's promises are not just words, they are assurances that multitudes will respond to the prophetic message. This is a beacon of hope in the darkness.
Isa. 60:4-5 "Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee."
Is it time now? A plague will consume the beast's kingdom as it reaches the limit of God's mercy. As written in Rev. 18:20, God will avenge the blood of the Myrtles and their prayers that have risen to the throne.
Rev. 18:20 "Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her."
Rev. 6:9 "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"
Deut. 32:30 "How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the?Lord?had shut them up?
True faith, the kind of faith that God requires, will always produce the results that God has promised. This will result in one person chasing a thousand and two people putting ten thousand to flight. Therefore, our declaration that the beast's seat will receive the fifth plague for the killing of the prophets and the saints will compel many to abandon their kingdom and join our cause.
Rev. 17:16 "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire." The ten kings of the earth, represented by the ten horns, will turn against the beast and launch an attack on it by 1) hating the whore, 2) making her desolate, 3) making her naked, 4) eating her flesh, and 5) burning her with fire.
Lev. 26:8 "And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword."
Joshua 23:10 "One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the?Lord?your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you."
Isa. 30:17 "One thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one; at the rebuke of five shall ye flee: till ye be left as a beacon upon the top of a mountain, and as an ensign on an hill."
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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07/18/24 11:17 AM
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Consider this: The four pillars?Seven Churches, Seals, Trumpets, and Plagues?hold profound messages. Now, what if we read them in reverse? Though not widely practiced, this unconventional approach can be a powerful tool for understanding and forming meaningful connections. It's a fresh perspective that could unlock new insights.
Since the Seven Churches and Seals are parallel, we should read the Seals before the Churches. The first seal depicts a rider on a white horse conquering with a bow, symbolizing the powerful global spread of the Gospel. It represents the external condition of the church period. Next, we should read about the first church, which symbolizes the Apostolic period of purity and reveals the internal condition of the church.
You should try using the second element. By doing so, you'll actively engage with the text and gain a deeper understanding of its profound messages.
For instance, the second seal represents the external condition of the church during persecution, which aligns with the statement of the second church, "You shall have tribulation ten days: be faithful unto death."
I'm confident that you can complete the task alone this time, and I wish you success. Your understanding and interpretation of the book of Revelation will be enriched by this unconventional method.
How about doing the same with Seven Trumpets and Plagues in reverse order? Start by reading the first plague and then the first trumpet, and continue.
For instance, the first plague was poured upon the earth to punish those who had the mark of the beast and worshipped his image. Now, consider the first trumpet, which states, "hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up." The first trumpet warns of an impending disaster upon the earth, aiming to destroy the wicked in fire. It's important to remember that the tree and grass symbolize humankind (Dan 4:21-23; Psalm 1:3; Isa. 40:6). Ultimately, the wicked remain, accept the mark of the beast, and worship his image upon the earth.
Remember to use this method when studying the book of Revelation. Blessings!
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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07/25/24 09:35 AM
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We urgently need to understand the seven trumpet messages that have been overlooked since 1844.
We have been passive and evasive, using the excuse that God has not yet revealed the true meaning.
We need to pursue the intended interpretation.
Continuing to teach the preexisting interpretation before 1844 and neglecting the significance of the seven trumpets is an insult to God.
The understanding before the great disappointment is flawed because we needed the proper sanctuary model.
We must rise to the challenge and pursue the intended interpretation without hesitation.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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07/30/24 06:30 AM
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The sequence of events from the four pillars of Revelation starts with the seven trumpets.
The trumpets' purpose is to awaken the churches and prepare them for complete sealing.
Therefore, understanding the significance of the Seven Trumpets is crucial for genuine church revival.
Once this cycle has served its purpose, God will bring about the execution of the Seven Last Plagues.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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08/04/24 11:13 AM
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We are currently experiencing a period of calm before an upcoming storm. Are you prepared? We must not be overwhelmed by the impending storm; as believers, we have been forewarned about its arrival. As disciples, we have been given clear instructions on how to handle it. As Christians, we have been identified not just as survivors, but as overcomers.
So, what is holding us back? Is it a lack of knowledge? We should immerse ourselves in His Word and pay attention to the warnings of the Seven Trumpets.
Revelation 8:12 states, "The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night."
When the event of the fourth trumpet fully takes place, it signifies the end. Climate change is already present, as indicated by the sounding of the fourth trumpet. Isn't the sun already scorching people? Revelation 16:8 also mentions, "The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire." This seems to be a present issue.
The fourth seal depicts the persecution and killing of saints during the Dark Ages by the Sunday Law, which has historically been proven. This is a past issue.
The fourth church refers to the original problem of Jezebel, who introduced Baal worship (sun worship) to Israel. This is an original issue.
The fourth trumpet describes a cosmic rearrangement that will result in the destruction of the earth. This is a future issue.We are currently experiencing a period of calm before an upcoming storm. Are you prepared? We must not be overwhelmed by the impending storm; as believers, we have been forewarned about its arrival. As disciples, we have been given clear instructions on how to handle it. As Christians, we have been identified not just as survivors, but as overcomers.
So, what is holding us back? Is it a lack of knowledge? We should immerse ourselves in His Word and pay attention to the warnings of the Seven Trumpets.
Revelation 8:12 states, "The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night."
When the event of the fourth trumpet fully takes place, it signifies the end. Climate change is already present, as indicated by the sounding of the fourth trumpet. Isn't the sun already scorching people? Revelation 16:8 also mentions, "The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire." This seems to be a present issue.
The fourth seal depicts the persecution and killing of saints during the Dark Ages by the Sunday Law, which has historically been proven. This is a past issue.
The fourth church refers to the original problem of Izabel, who introduced Baal worship (sun worship) to Israel. This is an original issue.
The fourth trumpet describes a cosmic rearrangement that will result in the destruction of the earth. This is a future issue.We are currently experiencing a period of calm before an upcoming storm. Are you prepared? We must not be overwhelmed by the impending storm; as believers, we have been forewarned about its arrival. As disciples, we have been given clear instructions on how to handle it. As Christians, we have been identified not just as survivors, but as overcomers.
So, what is holding us back? Is it a lack of knowledge? We should immerse ourselves in His Word and pay attention to the warnings of the Seven Trumpets.
Revelation 8:12 states, "The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night."
When the event of the fourth trumpet fully takes place, it signifies the end. Climate change is already present, as indicated by the sounding of the fourth trumpet. Isn't the sun already scorching people? Revelation 16:8 also mentions, "The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire." This seems to be a present issue.
The fourth seal depicts the persecution and killing of saints during the Dark Ages by the Sunday Law, which has been proven historically. This is a past issue.
The fourth church refers to the original problem of Jezabel, who introduced Baal worship (sun worship) to Israel. This is an original issue.
The fourth trumpet describes a cosmic rearrangement that will result in the destruction of the earth. This is a future issue.
Therefore, I believe that the Seven Trumpets correspond to the Feast of Trumpets in the sanctuary and symbolize a future event marking the close of probation.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
[Re: Karen Y]
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08/05/24 11:18 AM
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Friends, my apology for confusion on my last posting by repeating and mixing up the order of writing. Please let me correct it. Thanks for your understanding.
We are currently experiencing a period of calm before an upcoming storm. Are you prepared? We must not be overwhelmed by the impending storm; as believers, we have been forewarned about its arrival. As disciples, we have been given clear instructions on how to handle it. As Christians, we have been identified not just as survivors, but as overcomers.
So, what is holding us back? Is it a lack of knowledge? We should immerse ourselves in His Word and pay attention to the warnings of the Seven Trumpets.
Revelation 8:12 states, "And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise."
When the event of the fourth trumpet fully takes place, it signifies the end of the world. Climate change is already present, as indicated by the sounding of the fourth trumpet. Isn't the sun already scorching people? Revelation 16:8 also mentions, "And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire." This seems to be a present issue.
The fourth seal depicts the persecution and killing of saints during the Dark Ages by the Sunday Law, which has historically been proven. This is a past issue.
The fourth church refers to the original problem of Jezebel, who introduced Baal worship (sun worship) to Israel. This is an original issue.
The fourth trumpet describes a cosmic rearrangement that will result in the destruction of the earth. This is a future issue.
Therefore, I believe that the Seven Trumpets correspond to the Feast of Trumpets in the sanctuary and symbolize a future event marking the close of probation.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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08/16/24 12:46 AM
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The close of probation, a significant and momentous event, is not surprising to faithful Christians who have diligently studied the prophetic messages in Revelation.
According to Amos 3:7, God will not do anything without revealing His plans to His servants, the prophets.
Thus, the proclamation of the Seven Trumpets must align with the observance of the Day of Atonement following the sanctuary model for interpretation.
In the Old Testament, the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of Atonement overlapped, emphasizing their importance.
Lev. 23:24-27 "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.?Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the?Lord. And the?Lord?spake unto Moses, saying, Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the?Lord."
Rev. 10:7 says, "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."
If the remnant of God does not correctly understand the message of the Seven Trumpets, Jesus cannot return until the voice of the Seven Trumpets is proclaimed. Therefore, we must diligently study to hasten Jesus' Second Coming.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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08/20/24 11:04 AM
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In the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John bears witness to the seven angels who hold the seven last plagues, filled with God's wrath. Each time these angels appear, John emphasizes their significance by referring to them as "the seven angels."
Rev. 15:1 "And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God."
We learn more about the seven angels' actions by tracing their movement to verse six, which says, "And the seven angels came out of the temple."
The text shows that the seven angels emerged from the temple, suggesting they were positioned there until God commanded them to act on another task. Their golden girdles indicated that they were stationed before God's throne.
In Revelation 8:2, the text describes the moment when the seven angels appeared before God's throne and received the seven trumpets: "And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them." The text signifies that they received the trumpets while standing before God's throne.
Is this the exact moment that our Lord Jesus ascended to heaven and appeared before the throne of God to plead for us? Yes, He has become our High Priest and presented His complete blood sacrifice before the throne on our behalf.
Heb. 8:1 "Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens."
Furthermore, the description of Jesus' attire in Revelation 1:13 emphasizes this fact: "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks, one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle." He is wearing a golden girdle like the seven angels and stands before the throne of God.
Conclusively, the seven angels and Jesus are standing before the throne of God. The location of the seven trumpet angels and Jesus parallels the feasts of the trumpets and the Day of Atonement. They overlap in the function of redemption as presented in the sanctuary model.
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