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The Great White Throne
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Many say that the scene at the throne shows that only the wicked are judged, that "Christians" are not judged, but are accepted without it. We see in in several text in the Bible...
Daniel 7:9-11 King James Version (KJV) 9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Revelation 4:3-5 King James Version (KJV) 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Revelation 7:9-10 King James Version (KJV) 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Revelation 20:11-15 King James Version (KJV) 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
There is a judgment that is made and as Adventist we hold it as the Investigative Judgment and we see this being applied at the Second Coming..
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
And you see Christ not only says it but repeats it in Revelation...
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
So what is the purpose of the Great White Throne judgement scene..
Last edited by Rick H; 02/09/24 07:29 PM.
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Re: The Great White Throne
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God's judgment is not a one time thing. There are several phases of judgment.
DANIEL 7 pictures the investigative judgment. The context shows it taking place after the 1260 years (time,times and half time) It is a judgment of the little horn (a period of time when a power claiming to be Christians was ruling) It is the judgment of all professed followers of God and Christ.
Daniel 7:9-11, 13-14, People are not present at that judgment, only the ancient of days and thousand times thousands of angels. The Son of Man (Jesus as the representative of the human race) is brought before this court and declared worthy to receive the dominion and power etc. He presents the names of overcomers before the Father and the angels (as we see in Rev. 3:5) These will be the ones that inherit the earth with Jesus in the future. Daniel 7 is about the investigative judgment to see who the real Christians are and who the fake Christians are, BEFORE the second coming.
Revelation 5 is Christ being declared worthy to take the scroll and do His priestly work prior to the second coming.
Revelation 6(last part) and 7 take us to the very end of present earthly history, when the investigative judgment is finished. Revelation 7 shows the saved who were sealed and are taken to heaven at the second coming. While Revelation 6 shows the distress of the lost dashing to hide from Christ and His brightness at the secondi coming.
Revelation 20 The great white throne takes place AFTER the 1000 years. Christ's 2nd coming happened 1000 years earlier. This is a third coming! Everyone that ever lived is alive. The saved had been with Christ in heaven for 1000 years are in the New Jerusalem with Christ. The wicked, who were dead for 1000 years, have been raised, and are intent on conquering the city. All will see Christ on that white throne. They will see everything He did to save all who would believe. The wicked will see how they rejected the Life Giver, and His kingdom, now, after acknowledging God's perfect love and justice, they face the eternal second death from which there is no return.
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Re: The Great White Throne
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God's judgment is not a one time thing. There are several phases of judgment.
DANIEL 7 pictures the investigative judgment. The context shows it taking place after the 1260 years (time,times and half time) It is a judgment of the little horn (a period of time when a power claiming to be Christians was ruling) It is the judgment of all professed followers of God and Christ.
Daniel 7:9-11, 13-14, People are not present at that judgment, only the ancient of days and thousand times thousands of angels. The Son of Man (Jesus as the representative of the human race) is brought before this court and declared worthy to receive the dominion and power etc. He presents the names of overcomers before the Father and the angels (as we see in Rev. 3:5) These will be the ones that inherit the earth with Jesus in the future. Daniel 7 is about the investigative judgment to see who the real Christians are and who the fake Christians are, BEFORE the second coming.
Revelation 5 is Christ being declared worthy to take the scroll and do His priestly work prior to the second coming.
Revelation 6(last part) and 7 take us to the very end of present earthly history, when the investigative judgment is finished. Revelation 7 shows the saved who were sealed and are taken to heaven at the second coming. While Revelation 6 shows the distress of the lost dashing to hide from Christ and His brightness at the secondi coming.
Revelation 20 The great white throne takes place AFTER the 1000 years. Christ's 2nd coming happened 1000 years earlier. This is a third coming! Everyone that ever lived is alive. The saved had been with Christ in heaven for 1000 years are in the New Jerusalem with Christ. The wicked, who were dead for 1000 years, have been raised, and are intent on conquering the city. All will see Christ on that white throne. They will see everything He did to save all who would believe. The wicked will see how they rejected the Life Giver, and His kingdom, now, after acknowledging God's perfect love and justice, they face the eternal second death from which there is no return.
I am studying it as all the evangelicals talk on it but each one has their own personal interpretation, and mostly distorted or in the wrong place in the timeline. We Adventist are blessed with the SOP, but we tend to get to complacent and just quote it and only superficially grasp some of these important points...
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Re: The Great White Throne
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Totally agree! Even Adventists often just pull up a text concerning the judgment without any regard to the timeline and over arching process by which God fully discloses His love and justice.
The judgement isn't just to evaluate the individual's spiritual condition, (though that is part of it) but it is a thorough process by which God shows how His government is the way of love and justice, that He will not force anyone to worship Him, but even to rebels He freely offers a redemptive plan at great cost to Himself! His character of love did everything to save mankind and those lost are lost because of their refusal to escape from the bondage of sin by accepting his redeeming, cleansing plan. And those saved, even though they too were sinners, did value and accept His forgiveness and cleansing, refining power, inviting Him into their hearts and lives.
When this earth's example of what diverting from God's perfect government is like, ends, every being in the whole universe will have all doubts removed about God and His law, and all will joyously exclaim, Just and true are all your ways, Oh God!
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Re: The Great White Throne
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When does the WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT take place.
JESUS AND THE HOLY CITY DESCEND TO EARTH.?At the end of one thousand years, Jesus, the king of glory, descends from the Holy City, clothed with brightness like the lightning, upon the Mount of Olives?the same mount from whence He ascended after His resurrection. As His feet touch the mountain, it parts asunder, and becomes a very great plain, and is prepared for the reception of the Holy City in which is the paradise of God, the Garden of Eden, which was taken up after man?s transgression. Now it descends with the City, more beautiful, and gloriously adorned than when removed from the earth. The City of God comes down and settles upon the mighty plain prepared for it.?3SG 83, 84. {Hvn 122.1}
THE RESURRECTED WICKED.?Then Jesus in terrible, fearful majesty called forth the wicked dead; and as they came up with the same feeble, sickly bodies that went into the grave, what a spectacle! what a scene! At the first resurrection all came forth in immortal bloom; but at the second, the marks of the curse are visible on all.?1SG 214. {Hvn 123.1}
THE FINAL STRUGGLE.?Now Satan prepares for a last mighty struggle for the supremacy. While deprived of his power and cut off from his work of deception, the prince of evil was miserable and dejected; but as the wicked dead are raised and he sees the vast multitudes upon his side, his hopes revive, and he determines not to yield the great controversy. He will marshal all the armies of the lost under his banner and through them endeavor to execute his plans. {Hvn 123.2} Satan works wonders to support his claims. He makes the weak strong and inspires all with his own spirit and energy. He proposes to lead them against the camp of the saints and to take possession of the City of God.?GC 663. {Hvn 124.1}
SATAN AND HIS FOLLOWERS MARCH AGAINST THE HOLY CITY.?At last the order to advance is given, and the countless host moves on?an army such as was never summoned by earthly conquerors, such as the combined forces of all ages since war began on earth could never equal. Satan, the mightiest of warriors, leads..
THE FINAL CORONATION OF CHRIST TAKES PLACE BEFORE THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE.?Now Christ again appears to the view of His enemies. Far above the city, upon a foundation of burnished gold, is a throne, high and lifted up. Upon this throne sits the Son of God, and around Him are the subjects of His kingdom. The power and majesty of Christ no language can describe, no pen portray. {Hvn 124} In the presence of the assembled inhabitants of earth and Heaven takes place the final coronation of the Son of God.?4SP 479, 480. {Hvn 126.1}
THE WICKED AT GOD?S JUDGMENT BAR.?And now, invested with supreme majesty and power, the King of kings pronounces sentence upon the rebels against His government and executes justice upon those who have transgressed His law and oppressed His people. Says the prophet of God: ?I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.? Revelation 20:11, 12. {Hvn 126.2} The whole wicked world stand arraigned at the bar of God on the charge of high treason against the government of heaven. They have none to plead their cause; they are without excuse; and the sentence of eternal death is pronounced against them. {Hvn 126.4}
THE WICKED ACKNOWLEDGE GOD?S JUSTICE.?As if entranced, the wicked have looked upon the coronation of the Son of God. They see in His hands the tables of the divine law, the statutes which they have despised and transgressed. They witness the outburst of wonder, rapture, and adoration from the saved; and as the wave of melody sweeps over the multitudes without the city, all with one voice exclaim, ?Marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints?; and, falling prostrate, they worship the Prince of life.?4SP 484. {Hvn 127.3}
GOD IS VINDICATED BEFORE THE UNIVERSE.?Every question of truth and error in the long-standing controversy has now been made plain. The results of rebellion, the fruits of setting aside the divine statutes, have been laid open to the view of all created intelligences. The working out of Satan?s rule in contrast with the government of God has been presented to the whole universe. Satan?s own works have condemned him. God?s wisdom, His justice, and His goodness stand fully vindicated. It is seen that all His dealings in the great controversy have been conducted with respect to the eternal good of His people and the good of all the worlds that He has created. ?All Thy works shall praise Thee, O Lord; and Thy saints shall bless Thee.? Psalm 145:10. {Hvn 128.1}
THE WICKED TURN AGAINST SATAN.?Notwithstanding Satan has been constrained to acknowledge God?s justice, and to bow to the supremacy of Christ, his character remains unchanged. The spirit of rebellion, like a mighty torrent, again bursts forth. Filled with frenzy, he determines not to yield the great controversy. The time has come for a last desperate struggle against the King of Heaven. He rushes into the midst of his subjects, and endeavors to inspire them with his own fury, and arouse them to instant battle. But of all the countless millions whom he has allured into rebellion, there are none now to acknowledge his supremacy. His power is at an end. The wicked are filled with the same hatred of God that inspires Satan; but they see that their case is hopeless, that they cannot prevail against Jehovah. Their rage is kindled against Satan and those who have been his agents in deception. With the fury of demons they turn upon them, and there follows a scene of universal strife.?4SP 487. {Hvn 128.3}
A TERRIBLE MERCY.?It is in mercy to the universe that God will finally destroy the rejecters of His grace. ?The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.? Romans 6:23. While life is the inheritance of the righteous, death is the portion of the wicked. Moses declared to Israel: ?I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil.? Deuteronomy 30:15. The death referred to in these scriptures is not that pronounced upon Adam, for all mankind suffer the penalty of his transgression. It is ?the second death? that is placed in contrast with everlasting life. . . Thus will be made an end of sin, with all the woe and ruin which have resulted from it.. {Hvn 130.3}
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