HOME CHAT ROOM #1 CHAT ROOM #2 Forum Topics Within The Last 7 Days REGISTER ENTER FORUMS BIBLE SCHOOL CONTACT US

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine Christian Family Fellowship Forums
(formerly Maritime SDA OnLine)
Consisting mainly of both members and friends of the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Welcomes and invites other members and friends of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to join us!

Click Here To Read Legal Notice & Disclaimer
Suggested a One Time Yearly $20 or Higher Donation Accepted Here to Help Cover the Yearly Expenses of Operating & Upgrading. We need at least $20 X 10 yearly donations.
Donations accepted: Here
ShoutChat Box
Newest Members
Christa Maya, Ike, Andrew, Trainor, ekoorb1030
1327 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums118
Topics9,234
Posts196,242
Members1,327
Most Online5,850
Feb 29th, 2020
Seventh-day Adventist Church In Canada Links
Seventh-day Adventist Church in Canada

Newfoundland & Labrador Mission

Maritime Conference

Quebec Conference

Ontario Conference

Manitoba-Saskatchewan Conference

Alberta Conference

British Columbia Conference

7 Top Posters(30 Days)
Rick H 24
asygo 23
kland 16
December
S M T W T F S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31
Member Spotlight
Rick H
Rick H
Florida, USA
Posts: 3,249
Joined: January 2008
Show All Member Profiles 
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
Live Space Station Tracking
Here is a link to show exactly where the Space Station is over earth right now: Click Here
Last 7 Pictures From Photo Gallery Forums
He hath set an harvest for thee
Rivers Of Living Water
He Leads Us To Green Pastures
Remember What God Has Done
Remember The Sabbath
"...whiter than snow..."
A Beautiful Spring Day
Who's Online
5 registered members (dedication, Karen Y, Daryl, 2 invisible), 2,340 guests, and 15 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
New Reply
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 4 of 4 1 2 3 4
Re: Fourth quarter, 2024, The Gospel of John [Re: dedication] #198258
12/02/24 06:50 PM
12/02/24 06:50 PM
asygo  Offline
SDA
Active Member 2023

5500+ Member
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,642
California, USA
Originally Posted by dedication
But, as Paul emphatically says, this does NOT remove from the law, it's role in the saving process.

What does Paul say is the law?s role in the saving process?


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Reply Quote
Sabbath School Lesson Study Material Link
Here is the link to this week's Sabbath School Lesson Study and Discussion Material: Click Here
Re: Fourth quarter, 2024, The Gospel of John [Re: dedication] #198260
Yesterday at 11:53 PM
Yesterday at 11:53 PM
dedication  Online Content OP
Global Moderator
Supporting Member 2022

5500+ Member
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 6,716
Canada
Well, I'll write it again, since it seems to have been missed.

The law has three basic purposes

THE MIRROR
1. It shows us we have sinned and we need a Savior.

This is what Romans 7:7 is talking about:
What shall we say then? Was the law the sin problem? God forbid. No, I would not have recognized sin, except by the law: for I would not have recognized lust, except the law said, Thou shalt not covet.

7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might be recognized as sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

And James 1:23-25 likens God's perfect law of liberty to a mirror.


There would be no need for salvation, if there was no law telling us we are sinners.
There would be no need for forgiveness if there was no law that was transgressed.

Paul is very emphatic that justification is by faith not by works of the law. (Justification, is is by faith!) He is also very emphatic that this justification does NOT do away with God's law. " God forbid" it is not done away, grace is given for God's law to be lived in our lives, written upon not only on stone tablets but also on our hearts (Romans 6:15-16, 2 Cor. 3:3) written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart.

God's law, His WORDS spoken and written by Him, is the instrument the Holy Spirit uses to bring us to conversion.


2. THE GUARDIAN

2. The second purpose of the law, it is to teach all people right from wrong and be a a guardian to society in general. It's principles, if accepted, restrain them from descending into corruption. This earth is like a theater, in which the righteousness of God's laws are shown against the terrible consequences that are the natural result of disregarding God's law.
Every person in tune with God will be convinced that God's law is not arbitrary or restrictive, but right, honest and good, holy and the only way to live in a happy, safe, and peaceful society.

It's this concept of the law that we find in 1 Timothy 1:8-9 But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers.
And guess what? We all have sinned. We all need God's law. The law was not given to restrain righteousness but to put a restraint on sinful society in general, a society from which God calls us to flee.



3. THE PROMISE AND TESTER OF THE SPIRITS

The third purpose of the law:
The moral life of the believer in Christ, is shaped by the WORD, Christ's moral law (the ten commandments). The commands that are restrictive to people following the sinful values of the world, are not considered restrictive to those in Christ, indeed they become promises to those in Christ.
" Whatever is to be done at His command may be accomplished in His strength. All His biddings are enablings." {COL 333.1}
God's commandments are as a shield, to shied us--
People (and it's quite prevalent in today's society) who say God's TEN WORDS, the commandments are no longer important usually want salvation without obedience to one or more of those commandments.
Also, sadly true, there are numerous people, in society and religious groups, which claim many things as coming from the "spirit". They are very much into "spirit" based worship.
But is it the true Holy Spirit? How can we know? In order to know truth we can't go by feeling. No, we need to know the WORDS of truth recorded in scripture for our benefit. The Holy Spirit does not work against the WORD of truth, He works through the WORD, He leads us into all truth, including all the "ten WORDS, we call ten commandments, glorifying Christ Who spoke the WORD. (See John 15-16)
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this
WORD, it is because there is no light in them.

A lot of people will be deceived in the end by religious leaders who claim to be "spirit led". People will be deceived "because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thess 2:10.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

THe Holy Spirit who leads into all truth will NEVER contradict the WORD of God which is truth.
Hereby we must test the spirits.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy WORD is truth.

Reply Quote
Re: Fourth quarter, 2024, The Gospel of John [Re: dedication] #198261
4 hours ago
4 hours ago
dedication  Online Content OP
Global Moderator
Supporting Member 2022

5500+ Member
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 6,716
Canada
Lesson TEN
The Way the Truth and the Life!

In the study of the Gospel according to John, we have now come to several chapters recording Jesus last instructions to His disciples.

Chapter 13 has the story of the foot washing.
The job of a servant -- washing dirty, dusty feet before engaging in a social or religious gathering -- but on this occasion, there was no servant.

The disciples were rather often found in discussions and arguments (when Jesus supposedly wasn't listening) which usually centered on "which one of us will get the leading position", who will be the greatest?
So none of them were inclined to get down and wash anyone's feet.

But Jesus --
1:3 The One Who created all things, without Him nothing was made , that was made.
13:3 Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things in His hands and that He had come from God and was going to God.
He had a full consciousness of His divinity;
Quote
God has given the world into the hands of Christ, that He may completely vindicate the binding claims of the law, and make manifest the holiness of every principle. Christ ... by whom also He made the worlds." He was the "brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person." And He upheld "all things by the word of his power." He possessed divine excellence and greatness; and it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness should dwell. Christ exchanged the throne of light and glory which He had with the Father, counting it not a thing to be desired to be equal with God while man was lost in sin and misery. He came from heaven to earth, clothed his divinity with humanity, and bore the curse as surety for the fallen race. He was not compelled to do this; but He chose to bear the results of man's transgression, that man might escape eternal death. -
{BEcho, July 15, 1893 par. 9}


Those, hands, when one really thinks about it, were the hands of God! They upheld all things! This was the One Who created all things! Those hand actually formed the first human being out of the dust, and breathed the breath of life, and the first human came to life, in full vigor and maturity. Every human being that ever lived was sustained by the power of life within the owner of those hands!
God the Father had place "all things" in His hands.

How could those hands do menial servant work? But He did it with a heart full of love for these men, who followed Him, imperfect as they were. Even the feet of Judas, whose feet would take him down a dark path that very night. What love! Amazing love, That love is for each one of us. A cleansing love. A humbling love!




The ordinance [foot washing] preceding the Lord's Supper is to clear away these misunderstandings, to bring man out of his selfishness, down from his stilts of self-exaltation, to the humility of heart that will lead him to serve his brother. {1MCP 277.1}


Reply Quote
Page 4 of 4 1 2 3 4
Quick Reply

Options
HTML is disabled
UBBCode is enabled
CAPTCHA Verification



Moderator  dedication, Rick H 

Most Recent Posts From Selected Public Forums
Fourth quarter, 2024, The Gospel of John
by dedication. 12/04/24 12:19 AM
Is it Over? Are we there?
by dedication. 12/03/24 06:40 PM
What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10?
by dedication. 12/02/24 12:30 AM
Project 2025
by Rick H. 12/01/24 05:30 PM
Seven Trumpets reconsidered
by Karen Y. 11/29/24 09:14 AM
No mail in Canada?
by kland. 11/26/24 10:54 AM
The 2024 Election, the Hegelian Dialectic
by ProdigalOne. 11/15/24 08:26 PM
"The Lord's Day" and Ignatius
by dedication. 11/15/24 02:19 AM
The Doctrine of the Nicolaitans
by dedication. 11/14/24 04:00 PM
Will Trump be able to lead..
by dedication. 11/13/24 07:13 PM
Is Lying Ever Permitted?
by kland. 11/13/24 05:04 PM
Global Warming Farce
by kland. 11/13/24 04:06 PM
Profiles Of Jesus In Zecharia
by dedication. 11/13/24 02:23 AM
Good and Evil of Higher Critical Bible Study
by dedication. 11/12/24 07:31 PM
The Great White Throne
by dedication. 11/12/24 06:39 PM
Most Recent Posts From Selected Private Forums of MSDAOL
Perils of the Emerging Church Movement
by dedication. 11/30/24 09:19 PM
Dr Ben Carson: Church and State
by TheophilusOne. 11/30/24 09:20 AM
Will Trump Pass The Sunday Law?
by dedication. 11/22/24 12:51 PM
Understanding the 1,260-year Prophecy
by dedication. 11/22/24 12:35 PM
Private Schools
by Rick H. 11/22/24 07:54 AM
The Church is Suing the State of Maryland
by Rick H. 11/16/24 04:43 PM
Has the Catholic Church Changed?
by TheophilusOne. 11/16/24 08:53 AM
Dr Conrad Vine Banned
by Rick H. 11/15/24 06:11 AM
Understanding the 1290 & 1335 of Daniel 12?
by dedication. 11/05/24 03:16 PM
Forum Announcements
Visitors by Country Since February 11, 2013
Flag Counter
Google Maritime SDA OnLine Public Forums Site Search & Google Translation Service
Google
 
Web www.maritime-sda-online.com

Copyright 2000-Present
Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine).

LEGAL NOTICE:
The views expressed in this forum are those of individuals
and do not necessarily represent those of Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine,
as well as the Seventh-day Adventist Church
from the local church level to the General Conference level.

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine) is also a self-supporting ministry
and is not part of, or affiliated with, or endorsed by
The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland
or any of its subsidiaries.

"And He saith unto them, follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." Matt. 4:19
MARITIME 2ND ADVENT BELIEVERS ONLINE (FORMERLY MARITIME SDA ONLINE) CONSISTING MAINLY OF BOTH MEMBERS & FRIENDS
OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH,
INVITES OTHER MEMBERS & FRIENDS OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHO WISHES TO JOIN US!
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1