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Project 2025 #198252
12/01/24 07:59 AM
12/01/24 07:59 AM
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Kevin Roberts is described as the architect of Project 2025. He is the president of the thinktank called the "Heritage Foundation". So what is Project 2025...
Here is an interesting article on where he has gone to get guidance.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/26/kevin-roberts-project-2025-opus-dei

Kevin Roberts, the Heritage Foundation president and the architect of Project 2025, the conservative thinktank?s road map for a second Trump presidency, has close ties and receives regular spiritual guidance from an Opus Dei-led center in Washington DC, a hub of activity for the radical and secretive Catholic group.

In case you've never heard of Project 2025 here is their stated purpose. Which can be found on their website... https://www.project2025.org/


Their "manual" is 922 pages long and can be found here... https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

What some here as Seventh-day Adventists might find interesting is this statemen found on page 589.

Sabbath Rest. God ordained the Sabbath as a day of rest, and until very recently
the Judeo-Christian tradition sought to honor that mandate by moral and legal
regulation of work on that day. Moreover, a shared day off makes it possible for
families and communities to enjoy time off together, rather than as atomized
individuals, and provides a healthier cadence of life for everyone. Unfortunately,
that communal day of rest has eroded under the pressures of consumerism and
secularism, especially for low-income workers.

* Congress should encourage communal rest by amending the Fair
Labor Standards Act (FLSA) to require that workers be paid time and
a half for hours worked on the Sabbath. That day would default to Sunday,
except for employers with a sincere religious observance of a Sabbath at a
different time (e.g., Friday sundown to Saturday sundown); the obligation
would transfer to that period instead. Houses of worship (to the limited
extent they may have FLSA-covered employees) and employers legally
required to operate around the clock (such as hospitals and first responders)
would be exempt, as would workers otherwise exempt from overtime.

Re: Project 2025 [Re: Rick H] #198254
12/01/24 05:30 PM
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Here is some research into JD Vances connection...
"Claim:

U.S Vice President-elect JD Vance wrote the foreword to a book by the leader of Project 2025, a conservative blueprint for the next Republican presidency.

Rating:

True (About this rating?)

The claim that U.S. Vice President-elect JD Vance wrote the foreword to a Project 2025-linked book written by Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts first spread online when President-elect Donald Trump chose Vance, a senator from Ohio, to be his Republican vice-presidential running mate in July 2024...

It is true that Vance wrote the foreword to this book.

Roberts leads the Heritage Foundation, which describes itself as the primary organization behind Project 2025. The book has been described by publishing industry outlet Publisher's Lunch as "the book associated with the conservative organization's Project 2025 policy agenda."

The book's original title was "Dawn's Early Light: Burning Down Washington To Save America," and it was set to be published in September 2024. An early publisher's description described its author as the head of Project 2025:

As reported by Vox, "the book was written and announced before Vance was chosen as Trump's running mate. But there's some indication that people involved had some late second thoughts about it." In a statement about the changed publication date, Roberts said:

There's a time for writing, reading, and book tours ? and a time to put down the books and go fight like hell to take back our country. ? That's why I've chosen to move my book's publication and promotion to after the election.

The book is now titled "Dawn's Early Light: Taking Back Washington to Save America." As described by its publisher, the themes and ideas in the book track closely with Project 2025's "mandate for America," which Snopes previously covered:

Dawn's Early Light blazes a promising path for the American people to take back their country. Chapter by chapter, it identifies institutions that conservatives need to build, others that we need to take back, and more still that are too corrupt to save: Ivy League colleges, the FBI, the New York Times, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the Department of Education, BlackRock, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the National Endowment for Democracy, to name a few. All these need to be dissolved if the American way of life is to be passed down to future generations.

In July 2024, The New Republic published portions of the foreword Vance wrote from an advance copy of the book. The language, at least in that version, echoed Roberts' calls for a "second American Revolution":

The old conservative movement argued if you just got government out of the way, natural forces would resolve problems. We are no longer in this situation and must take a different approach.

As Kevin Roberts writes, "It's fine to take a laissez-faire approach when you are in the safety of the sunshine. But when the twilight descends and you hear the wolves, you've got to circle the wagons and load the muskets."

We are now all realizing that it's time to circle the wagons and load the muskets. In the fights that lay ahead, these ideas are an essential weapon.

Because Vance indeed wrote the foreword to a book written by the leader of Project 2025, we rate the claim as true.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...book-by-project-2025s-leader/ar-AA1tHKYz

And here is more from Walter Veith..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTYPBIBO0bI

Re: Project 2025 [Re: Rick H] #198349
12/29/24 03:05 PM
12/29/24 03:05 PM
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It's an important question to contemplate -- do we, as Christians really understand what is wrong with the 2025 approach?
Is it wrong to stand up against evil and fight for morality and a better society?
Isn't that the Christian duty?
Those are questions for which we need solid answers. For if the 2025 gets implemented we will need to know the answers, not only when questioned by other Christians who won't understand why we would resist, but also for ourselves.
It's easy now to sit comfortably in our easy chair and talk about political suppositions and plans, but what happens when a stark reality hits us and we get classified as anti-Christian for our resistance?

As Adventists we tend to look at this through tunnel vision, that focuses on Sunday laws, and fails to see the broader spectrum of what's coming. Don't get me wrong, Sunday laws are the biggest point, as that will be a law striking directly against God's law. Yet a lot of what this project is urging Christians to do isn't striking directly against God's law, a lot of it is trying to bring back God's law to society.

Re: Project 2025 [Re: Rick H] #198352
12/31/24 03:37 PM
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Civil laws concerning the last six Commandments are a fine thing. However, enforcing the first four Commandments is the path to religious tyranny.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Project 2025 [Re: ProdigalOne] #198356
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Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
Civil laws concerning the last six Commandments are a fine thing. However, enforcing the first four Commandments is the path to religious tyranny.

That is what we have often said, yes, governments are to make society "safe" by making and enforcing laws prohibiting killing, stealing and making false accusations and fraudulent transactions, and other outward dangerous and hurtful actions, I agree that they cannot and shouldn't try to enforce worship.

But I'm not sure they should be enforcing the last six commandments either, because Christ magnified his law and made all of it a part of worship, a part of the inner life of a person, not just an outward (as long as people are looking) compliance. When or where does the line cross from simply keeping citizens safe using common sense justice, to legislating moral principles.

It seems to me the 2025 project is basically trying to do that very thing-- and with it they are enforcing an outward action to cease certain business and recreational activities under the hope this will help the family (help busy people to have time to honor their parents at least once a week, focus more on their marriage, and spend quality time with their kids) as well as to reduce carbon emission. The whole thing is to increase moral responsibility through the passage of laws.

The lines cross between the two tablets and become blurred together. Can we really support the greater part of the 2025 project? Where does moral responsibility cross from outward compliance for basic survival to worship based obedience?



I reflect back on the first Christians. They were in a world full of every form of degradation. Every one of those commandments were violated by society. Yet the Christian's did not turn to the Roman government (which was the power in control at the time), lobbying for them to make laws to stop the behaviors.

They preached the gospel, they lived the gospel, and that had a powerful effect! But once Christianity joined up with Rome in the fourth century, things headed downward toward the "dark ages".

The reason America became great was not because they enforced the last six commandments, it became great because their Protestant principles, God's moral principles were enshrined in peoples hearts and minds (not all of course, but the general trend was that those principles were part of peoples lives). Government was NOT to interfere in people's worship.

Now the devil has thoroughly infiltrated society into believing that evil is good, and good is evil. Light is darkness, and darkness is light, sinning is freedom, obedience is bondage. The media is working at top power to pour that type of thinking into every human being.

Today -- what would be achieved by outlawing abortion, homosexuality and all it's variants, etc. etc. in a society that lost it's basic value of family, fidelity, marital love, and purity and has replaced it with slogans of freedom, whatever your lusts desire, follow for it is good, mentality. Laws will just make things go underground, and boil till it erupts in rebellion and open revolt. All it will do is cause a time of trouble such as never was.
Morality can not be legislated, it has to come from within.

When the church begins to seek for the support of secular power, it is evident that she is devoid of the power of Christ--the constraint of divine love. {MB 127.1}






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