Jeff, don't feign ignorance now. The story clearly shows the woman was deceived. It also shows in God's response. Further, Paul adds that the woman was deceived. In the face of all this you insist that she rebelled. How else should I react. You have chosen to accept the view of your favorite theologians over the facts.

Darius, I have no favorite theologians. I do not deny nor have I denied that Eve was deceived. I have maintained that she was indeed deceived. What I am saying is that she still participated in rebellion even though she was deceived. She HAD a choice. Regardless of how enticing the serpent made the fruit sound, she could have obeyed God instead. She didn’t. Eve did what EVE wanted to do. Adam was not deceived. He could have obeyed God also, he didn’t. How do you absolve Adam?

That deception in itself absolves rebellion is false, for the very cause for which Eve was deceived was mired in rebellion. Eve found what the serpent said about the fruit appealing, that she wanted to be exalted, like God. The serpent made Eve think this was possible through eating the fruit. That was the deciption, but the attitude that Eve demonstrated was rebellious. Eve’s sin was not in being deceived, though being deceived led her to sin. Her sin was in disobeying God. Eve knew the truth—what God told her—and disregarded it for what SHE found appealing in the words of the serpent. Those are the facts.

Apart from this side discussion about deception vs rebellion, I am still trying to figure out what you’re really saying in this thread. Can you just come out and say it so the conversation can be about that?

Jeff

Jeff, you are mouthing the word but meaning something different. That presents many problems. My OP was clear so it is difficult to understand how you could ask me to say what I want to say.

If the human race had rebelled there could have been no plan of salvation for it. This is why there is no plan of salvation for Lucifer. Don't you guys see how you are introducing confusion into the gospel?

Even if Eve wasnt rebelling in disobeying God, that doesnt make our present situation different since irrespective of what someone else did, we are still guilty of sin. Only by Gods grace do any of us have hope of life beyond the purge of sin.

This is where the church has ignored God. God does not view the race as individuals. As in Adam so in Christ. It is amazing how much effort we make to ignore this clear statement.