I dont know where the Bible supports Eve seeing the snake eating the fruit. Its not mentioned or implied.
What exactly did Jesus mean when He called satan a murderer and a liar from the beginning?
God Bless,
Will

The really sad fact is that so many Christians get their ideas of what the Bible teaches from Bible Studies rather than from what the Bible actually says. They know what their teachers say about the Bible but hardly anything of what the Bible itself says. This is truly tragic.

Darius, that may be true for a lot of people but you can’t assume that when people disagree with you that they have necessarily done this.

Anyway, it seems that since your statements are “contrary to the Bible and the writings of EGW” as it were, and you have failed to support your views with actual scripture, we should respect Daryl’s suggestion that this thread should die. You can state that what you have posted is fully supported by the biblical evidence, but stating that it is absolutely so does not demonstrate it.

Jeff

Jeff, there is a qualitative difference between those who study and those who cram. Sometimes we have to decide whether our concern is to be right or to eliminate error.

Darius

Whats to figure out is why taking your word for it would be any better than taking theologians, bible study, pastor, sermon etc.

Yours has been a weak argument, things you say are often so short that they can be understood in several different ways and follow up questions to clarify which of those you are trying to communicate have been replied to with comments questioning the intellectual integrity of the asker. You read one verse and build a case around it and when confronted with other verses that either variate or even show a clearly different point of view, such verses have usually not been commented upon.

Discussion is normally a two-way street but the impression given is that you are not communicating, you more appear to preach and then get frustrated when you have not been given the same confidence you claim we give to theologians, preachers, bible studies etc.

In other threads other people have sometimes presented new angles to understand sertain passages of the bible, much like what you have tried to do here. However, such threads normally include a thorough study pointing out weaknesses in the old view and giving reasons to why the alternative understanding is supperior and the defended their position to those who ask questions about it. If you had done likewise, it is not unlikely that this thread would have been both intersting and added to our understanding either in favour or against your new thoughts. What have appeared to be your strategy, giving hints and then being annoyed with us for not immediately picking up and fully understanding and agreeing with your hints.. Well, maybe there is some place where that is the normal way to conduct exchange of thoughts but for the majority of us who here who like to have ideas spelled out for us so we know what we are to considder, could you please try to do so?

/Thomas

Vaster, I am not really here to teach anything. I am merely pointing out things that we have traditionally ignored. Relative to the Genesis story, most people ignore the fact that Moses was not writing stroke by stroke commentary. He was writing hundreds maybe thousands of years after the event. If the story had unfolded differently from what is clearly implied in the text why did Moses write it the way he did? We should not read the text and ignore the timing of Moses' record. Moses wrote the story the way it is because this is what he was to write. It is ludicrous to suggest that thousands of years later God decided to add details that change the story.

Been there done that Tom, on this and other forums. Same old same old. What goes around comes around.

Redfog

Tom, it is interesting that you should raise a claim that your questions are not adequately addressed (an erroneous claim I might add) when those questions may very well be red-herrings designed to avoid addressing the issues in the OP. When someone asks me "So, do you question the authority of EGW on this matter?" I have not obligation to answer it in the context of a discussion like this. Ir is a carefully constructed smokescreen. I have answered every relevant question. How you deal with information that is clearly recorded in the Bible is up to you.