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Re: It has been done!
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03/03/06 08:40 PM
03/03/06 08:40 PM
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OP
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom Ewall:
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Redfog, the Creator is not infallible.
Really?
Thanks for catching that. You know what I intended to say. I corrected it.
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Re: It has been done!
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03/03/06 08:43 PM
03/03/06 08:43 PM
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asygo, this is not an invitation to eat. It was in response to Eve. And there was not mention of living. He was saying what would happen if they ate. He was correct.
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Re: It has been done!
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03/03/06 08:57 PM
03/03/06 08:57 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Darius:
asygo, this is not an invitation to eat. It was in response to Eve. And there was not mention of living. He was saying what would happen if they ate. He was correct.
I agree that Satan did not exactly invite Eve to eat the fruit. He merely said that if she ate, she would know good and evil, which was indeed correct. He merely presented the eating of the fruit as a way to gain something which she lacked, which was also correct, since she had no knowledge of evil at the time.
As for living, Satan did say, "Ye shall not surely die." I may be jumping to conclusions, but I thought not dying meant staying alive.
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Re: It has been done!
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03/03/06 09:21 PM
03/03/06 09:21 PM
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quote:
Thanks for catching that. You know what I intended to say. I corrected it.
No, I didn't know. That's why I didn't comment, in case it was just a typo.
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Re: It has been done!
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03/03/06 09:23 PM
03/03/06 09:23 PM
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But they did die. God was right. Satan was wrong; he lied.
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Re: It has been done!
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03/03/06 11:05 PM
03/03/06 11:05 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Darius:
Jeff, why we are still here is not the same as who got us in this position.
So why are we still here?
/Thomas
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Re: It has been done!
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03/04/06 12:21 AM
03/04/06 12:21 AM
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Eve still had to take it on faith that what God said was true. Lucifer KNEW what God said was true and still rebelled. That is what makes Lucifer ineligible for grace: he rebelled against God to His face.
This is a good point.
It was unbelief in relation to God's character which led to rebellion. For a long time, Lucifer could have returned to his position. His sin would have been forgiven on the condition of repentance and submission. God bore with Lucifer a long time, and sought to win him to the truth in many different ways. In fact, Lucifer was convinced he was in the wrong, but he refused to repent even so, not wanting to lose the influence he had obtained among those he was deceiving.
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When men broke the law of God, and defied His will, Satan exulted. It was proved, he declared, that the law could not be obeyed; man could not be forgiven. Because he, after his rebellion, had been banished from heaven, Satan claimed that the human race must be forever shut out from God's favor. God could not be just, he urged, and yet show mercy to the sinner.
But even as a sinner, man was in a different position from that of Satan. Lucifer in heaven had sinned in the light of God's glory. To him as to no other created being was given a revelation of God's love.
Understanding the character of God, knowing His goodness, Satan chose to follow his own selfish, independent will. This choice was final. There was no more that God could do to save him. But man was deceived; his mind was darkened by Satan's sophistry. The height and depth of the love of God he did not know. For him there was hope in a knowledge of God's love. By beholding His character he might be drawn back to God. (DA 761, 762)
The work of the Gospel is to make reveal the character of God. Believing the truth reconciles us to God. It would reconcile Satan too, if he would believe, but by his recalcitrance and intransigence he had so warped his own character that he lost both the cabability and the desire to know truth.
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Re: It has been done!
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03/05/06 11:41 PM
03/05/06 11:41 PM
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Darius why is it that when you are asked a question or someone voices a concern to you about something you've written you dance around and do everything possible to avoid the issue. Including being vague. When you do this you loose all credibility. When I raised a concern about your tendency to pick and choose what you believe in the Bible you did not address my concerns at all. If you want to convince us that you are right on something then lay out what you believe, in plain language, get to the point on your beliefs instead of offering us vagueness and dancing around the issue. When people ask you direct questions then answer them directly. When you don't it appears you might be ashamed of what you believe.
A while back on another thread I asked you time after time if you believe in a literal 7 day creation and you never gave a direct answer so when that happens people have to start assuming what you believe.
Redfog
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Re: It has been done!
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03/08/06 03:07 AM
03/08/06 03:07 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by västergötland:
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Originally posted by Darius:
Jeff, why we are still here is not the same as who got us in this position.
So why are we still here?
/Thomas
In this thread we are not discussing why we are still here? We can discuss that in a separate thread. Unless we can focus we will achieve nothing.
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Re: It has been done!
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03/08/06 03:09 AM
03/08/06 03:09 AM
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Redfog, you need to ask relevant questions. You seem to operate from the perspective that only people who ultimately share you view of the world have a right to participate in the marketplace. That is not a productive use of our minds. I will humor you this time. I do not believe in a 7 day creation. I don't think you will find evidence of a 7 day creation any where.
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