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Re: Doctors Receive Go Ahead Regarding Alternative Treatment
[Re: Rosangela]
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11/10/09 05:50 PM
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So, being a homeopathic physician wouldn't be appropriate for a Seventh-day Adventist, since our health philosophy is naturopathy, not homeopathy, BUT it is appropriate for a SDA physician to take "the good of" homeopathy. I don't think this is what Ellen is saying. Does anyone see any errors in this philosophy? Do you believe this is our health message philosophy?
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Re: Doctors Receive Go Ahead Regarding Alternative Treatment
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11/10/09 07:10 PM
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Elle,
This is the term we use commonly in Brazil. Also, I don't see the definition you presented as wrong. But, if it bothers you, you can use any other term you prefer. The fact is, our philosophy is the one presented in the books of Ellen White. So, being a homeopathic physician wouldn't be appropriate for a Seventh-day Adventist, but this doesn't mean a Seventh-day Adventist physician can't occasionally use homeopathic remedies.
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Re: Doctors Receive Go Ahead Regarding Alternative Treatment
[Re: Rosangela]
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11/10/09 07:32 PM
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This is the term we use commonly in Brazil. Also, I don't see the definition you presented as wrong The only way to see error is to first understand Truth. But, if it bothers you, you can use any other term you prefer. I think we are trying to understand why and when we should use alternative treatment. The fact is, our philosophy is the one presented in the books of Ellen White. It would be nice to have these quotes here. So, being a homeopathic physician wouldn't be appropriate for a Seventh-day Adventist, but this doesn't mean a Seventh-day Adventist physician can't occasionally use homeopathic remedies. Let's define for what reason the SDA physician would occasionally use homeopathic remedies.
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Re: Doctors Receive Go Ahead Regarding Alternative Treatment
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11/10/09 09:04 PM
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R: This is the term we use commonly in Brazil. Also, I don't see the definition you presented as wrong E: The only way to see error is to first understand Truth. Again, I don't see the definition given as wrong. It says: "The naturopathic philosophy is to stimulate the healing power of the body" which would be equivalent to what Ellen White says here: Nature alone possesses restorative powers. She alone can build up her exhausted energies, and repair the injuries she has received by inattention to her fixed laws. {HL 224.1}
Nature alone is the effectual restorer. {HL 224.2}
Give nature a chance, and she will rally and again perform her part nobly and well. {HL 224.6}
All the credit should be ascribed to nature's restorative power. {HL 225.1} It goes on: "and treat the underlying cause of disease. Symptoms of disease are seen as warning signals of improper functioning of the body, and unfavourable lifestyle habits." which would be equivalent to what Ellen White says here: Nature bears abuse as long as she can without resisting, then she arouses, and makes a mighty effort to rid herself of the incumbrances and evil treatment she has suffered. Then come headache, chills, fevers, nervousness, paralysis, and other evils too numerous to mention. {HL 224.4}
Right and correct habits, intelligently and perseveringly practiced, will be removing the cause for disease. {MM 222.2} R: So, being a homeopathic physician wouldn't be appropriate for a Seventh-day Adventist, but this doesn't mean a Seventh-day Adventist physician can't occasionally use homeopathic remedies. E: Let's define for what reason the SDA physician would occasionally use homeopathic remedies. I think only a physician could determine that.
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Re: Doctors Receive Go Ahead Regarding Alternative Treatment
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11/12/09 12:39 PM
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All the credit should be ascribed to nature's restorative power. {HL 225.1} Just a word about this. It is God who empowers the human body to operate its own healing, and it was He who established laws which, if followed, will bring good results, and it's He who put medicinal properties in herbs and other agents, so every healing should ultimately be attributed to Him, but this is not something supernatural. In a supernatural healing God does what the body cannot do.
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Re: Doctors Receive Go Ahead Regarding Alternative Treatment
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11/14/09 10:34 PM
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Hi Rosangela, I'm glad you made some correction, however, I would like to make some emphasis so to contrast our health message with the Naturopathy's philosophy. I don't mean to contradict you. The error is quite common in our church and that's why it's well worth to bring forth the true essence of our health message. It is God who empowers the human body to operate its own healing, Does the body operates it's own healing? Through the agencies of nature, God is working, day by day, hour by hour, moment by moment, to keep us alive, to build up and restore us. When any part of the body sustains injury, a healing process is at once begun; nature's agencies are set at work to restore soundness. But the power working through these agencies is the power of God. All life-giving power is from Him. When one recovers from disease, it is God who restores him. {CH 168.1}
It is not to be supposed that a law is set in motion for the seed to work itself, that the leaf appears because it must do so of itself. God has laws that He has instituted, but they are only the servants through which He effects results. It is through the immediate agency of God that every tiny seed breaks through the earth and springs into life. Every leaf grows, every flower blooms, by the power of God. {MM 9.2}
The physical organism of man is under the supervision of God, but it is not like a clock, which is set in operation, and must go of itself. The heart beats, pulse succeeds pulse, breath succeeds breath, but the entire being is under the supervision of God. "Ye are God's husbandry; ye are God's building." In God we live, and move, and have our being. Each heartbeat, each breath, is the inspiration of Him who breathed into the nostrils of Adam the breath of life--the inspiration of the ever-present God, the great I AM.--R.H., Nov. 8, 1898. {MM 9.3} To me, it looks like God is the healer that coordinate the whole process. "I am the Lord that healeth thee." Ex 15:26 R: and it was He who established laws which, if followed, will bring good results, and it's He who put medicinal properties in herbs and other agents, so every healing should ultimately be attributed to Him, but this is not something supernatural. In a supernatural healing God does what the body cannot do. As far as I understand, the body cannot do anything, nor does the food we eat have any power unless God is intervening at every moment giving us each breath; sending an electrical pulse to our heart at every beat; breaking down the elements from the foods; empowering every chemical reaction; guiding the nutrients at every cells; bringing healing to any levels of our body(genes,cells, tissues,etc); guiding and coordinating every cell, tissues, organs of our beings into their functions, etc... There's abosolutely nothing that our body can do without God's supernatural intervention. "...The seed has in itself a germinating principle, a principle that God himself has implanted; yet if left to itself the seed would have no power to spring up....unless an infinite power is exercised day and night, the seed will yield no returns. The showers of rain must be sent to give moisture to the thirsty fields, the sun must impart heat, electricity must be conveyed to the buried seed. The life which the Creator has implanted, He alone can call forth. Every seed grows, every plant develops, by the power of God.--C.O.L. 63. {MM 7.5}
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Re: Doctors Receive Go Ahead Regarding Alternative Treatment
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11/15/09 01:13 PM
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Elle, please feel free to present your opinions. If we didn't all have different opinions there would be no discussions. As I see it, God has implanted laws in our bodies, as well as in the bodies of animals, and even in plants. This, however, is different from a supernatural intervention from God. Animals are hurt and their hurts heal; the same is true about plants (a tree, for instance), and the same is true about men. But this is the result of the laws God implanted in our system. Thus, men can do unethical experiments and clonings with living cells, but God is not directly responsible for the results. He merely implanted life and laws in these cells. So, if we follow the laws God implanted in our system, we will reap health; if we don't follow them, we will reap disease. If there is disease but you start following the correct laws, the cause for disease will be removed and healing will follow. In a supernatural healing, however, nature was too injured to be able to recover; then God intervenes directly, if it is for the glory of His name.
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