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"It Is Finished"?? #32035
04/16/03 11:50 PM
04/16/03 11:50 PM
Daryl  Online Canadian
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Jesus said while on the cross that "it is finished."

What did He mean when He said that?

Re: "It Is Finished"?? #32036
04/17/03 04:20 PM
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He was referring to the cup of God's wrath. It's the same cup the unsaved will drink in the lake of fire. But Jesus conquered the cup. He was alive when He proclaimed - It is finished. Thus, He did not die the second, rather He defeated it and is therefore now the lawful owner of the keys of hell and of death.

1. Christ did not yield up His life till He had accomplished the work which He came to do, and with His parting breath He exclaimed, "It is finished." John 19:30. The battle had been won. His right hand and His holy arm had gotten Him the victory. As a Conqueror He planted His banner on the eternal heights. Was there not joy among the angels? All heaven triumphed in the Saviour's victory. Satan was defeated, and knew that his kingdom was lost. {DA 758.1}

2. What a support Christ would have found in His earthly relatives if they had believed in Him as one from heaven, and had co-operated with Him in doing the work of God! Their unbelief cast a shadow over the earthly life of Jesus. It was a part of the bitterness of that cup of woe which He drained for us. {DA 325.3}

3. The message of the Greeks, foreshadowing as it did the gathering in of the Gentiles, brought to the mind of Jesus His entire mission. The work of redemption passed before Him, from the time when in heaven the plan was laid, to the death that was now so near at hand. A mysterious cloud seemed to enshroud the Son of God. Its gloom was felt by those near Him. He sat rapt in thought. At last the silence was broken by His mournful voice, "Now is My soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save Me from this hour?" In anticipation Christ was already drinking the cup of bitterness. His humanity shrank from the hour of abandonment, when to all appearance He would be deserted even by God, when all would see Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. He shrank from public exposure, from being treated as the worst of criminals, from a shameful and dishonored death. A foreboding of His conflict with the powers of darkness, a sense of the awful burden of human transgression, and the Father's wrath because of sin caused the spirit of Jesus to faint, and the pallor of death to overspread His countenance. {DA 624.3}

4. In the upper chamber of a dwelling at Jerusalem, Christ was sitting at table with His disciples. They had gathered to celebrate the Passover. The Saviour desired to keep this feast alone with the twelve. He knew that His hour was come; He Himself was the true paschal lamb, and on the day the Passover was eaten He was to be sacrificed. He was about to drink the cup of wrath; He must soon receive the final baptism of suffering. But a few quiet hours yet remained to Him, and these were to be spent for the benefit of His beloved disciples. {DA 642.1}

5. Behold Him contemplating the price to be paid for the human soul. In His agony He clings to the cold ground, as if to prevent Himself from being drawn farther from God. The chilling dew of night falls upon His prostrate form, but He heeds it not. From His pale lips comes the bitter cry, "O My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me." Yet even now He adds, "Nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt." {DA 687.2}

6. Turning away, Jesus sought again His retreat, and fell prostrate, overcome by the horror of a great darkness. The humanity of the Son of God trembled in that trying hour. He prayed not now for His disciples that their faith might not fail, but for His own tempted, agonized soul. The awful moment had come--that moment which was to decide the destiny of the world. The fate of humanity trembled in the balance. Christ might even now refuse to drink the cup apportioned to guilty man. It was not yet too late. He might wipe the bloody sweat from His brow, and leave man to perish in his iniquity. He might say, Let the transgressor receive the penalty of his sin, and I will go back to My Father. Will the Son of God drink the bitter cup of humiliation and agony? Will the innocent suffer the consequences of the curse of sin, to save the guilty? The words fall tremblingly from the pale lips of Jesus, "O My Father, if this cup may not pass away from Me, except I drink it, Thy will be done." {DA 690.2}

7. Satan with his fierce temptations wrung the heart of Jesus. The Saviour could not see through the portals of the tomb. Hope did not present to Him His coming forth from the grave a conqueror, or tell Him of the Father's acceptance of the sacrifice. He feared that sin was so offensive to God that Their separation was to be eternal. Christ felt the anguish which the sinner will feel when mercy shall no longer plead for the guilty race. It was the sense of sin, bringing the Father's wrath upon Him as man's substitute, that made the cup He drank so bitter, and broke the heart of the Son of God. {DA 753.2}

8. Amid the awful darkness, apparently forsaken of God, Christ had drained the last dregs in the cup of human woe. In those dreadful hours He had relied upon the evidence of His Father's acceptance heretofore given Him. He was acquainted with the character of His Father; He understood His justice, His mercy, and His great love. By faith He rested in Him whom it had ever been His joy to obey. And as in submission He committed Himself to God, the sense of the loss of His Father's favor was withdrawn. By faith, Christ was victor. {DA 756.3}

9. Reasoning from prophecy, Christ gave His disciples a correct idea of what He was to be in humanity. Their expectation of a Messiah who was to take His throne and kingly power in accordance with the desires of men had been misleading. It would interfere with a correct apprehension of His descent from the highest to the lowest position that could be occupied. Christ desired that the ideas of His disciples might be pure and true in every specification. They must understand as far as possible in regard to the cup of suffering that had been apportioned to Him. He showed them that the awful conflict which they could not yet comprehend was the fulfillment of the covenant made before the foundation of the world was laid. Christ must die, as every transgressor of the law must die if he continues in sin. All this was to be, but it was not to end in defeat, but in glorious, eternal victory. Jesus told them that every effort must be made to save the world from sin. His followers must live as He lived, and work as He worked, with intense, persevering effort. {DA 799.3}

Re: "It Is Finished"?? #32037
03/01/05 10:08 AM
03/01/05 10:08 AM
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In answer to the question that is the topic, no.

quote:
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Matthew 5:18


Re: "It Is Finished"?? #32038
03/01/05 01:24 PM
03/01/05 01:24 PM
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Well, let's look at the verse where Christ said that it is finished.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
This is the only place where it has been recorded regarding Christ saying it is finished, therefore, something was obviously finished by Christ at that point in time, which Mike Lowe posted to in his post.

In regards to Dave Hoover's post, what then is the difference between it is finished and until all is accomplished?

Re: "It Is Finished"?? #32039
03/01/05 02:15 PM
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Yes, "it" was finished. Jesus said so. Obviously, He wasn't referring to the plan of salvation or the great controversy, because neither one were finished on the cross.

Re: "It Is Finished"?? #32040
03/01/05 04:29 PM
03/01/05 04:29 PM
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For all practical purposes, at the cross God defeated Satan, won the great controversy and consummated the plan of salvation. From then on, it was just a matter of time.

"When Christ cried out from the cross, 'It is finished,' all Heaven triumphed. The controversy between Christ and Satan in regard to the execution of the plan of salvation was ended.... When Christ died on Calvary's cross, he exclaimed in his expiring agony, 'It is finished;' and Satan knew that he had been defeated in his purpose to overthrow the plan of salvation" (ST, September 23, 1889).

"Christ did not yield up His life till He had accomplished the work which He came to do, and with His parting breath He exclaimed, 'It is finished.' John 19:30. The battle had been won. His right hand and His holy arm had gotten Him the victory. As a Conqueror He planted His banner on the eternal heights. Was there not joy among the angels? All heaven triumphed in the Saviour's victory. Satan was defeated, and knew that his kingdom was lost. To the angels and the unfallen worlds the cry, 'It is finished,' had a deep significance. It was for them as well as for us that the great work of redemption had been accomplished. They with us share the fruits of Christ's victory. ... Well, then, might the angels rejoice as they looked upon the Saviour's cross; for though they did not then understand all, they knew that the destruction of sin and Satan was forever made certain, that the redemption of man was assured, and that the universe was made eternally secure. Christ Himself fully comprehended the results of the sacrifice made upon Calvary. To all these He looked forward when upon the cross He cried out, 'It is finished.' (DA 758, 764)

Re: "It Is Finished"?? #32041
03/01/05 06:42 PM
03/01/05 06:42 PM
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I was just present the argument use to do away with the law. It is reasoned that when Jesus said it is finished, he meant the law and all requirements. At that very point, plenty was finished: his life, the ceremony, and the need for sacrifice to name a few. But, if we are asking if it is all finished, no, it is not. Just one example is the text I quoted.

Re: "It Is Finished"?? #32042
03/01/05 10:06 PM
03/01/05 10:06 PM
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Anyone else find it interesting that it seems whatever it was, it was finnished before He died and not trough His death.

/Thomas

Re: "It Is Finished"?? #32043
03/02/05 02:01 AM
03/02/05 02:01 AM
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"it is finished" referes to what took place on the earth...[courtyard} and His life as our example....fulfilling the ceremonial laws defeting Satan.

Study "it is done" to find out what was completed in heaven, as our High Priest, before He can come.

There are two phases of the plan of salvation and one is just as important as the other.

The Great Controversy-- Facing Life's Record

-PG- 489

"The intercession of Christ in man's behalf in the sanctuary above is as essential to the plan of salvation as was His death upon the cross. By His death He began that work which
after His resurrection He ascended to complete in heaven. ".........

- Ellen G. White: The Early Years Volume 1 - 1827-1862---- Sustained in a Continued Ministry
-PG- 107

The Place of the Vision in Confirming the Sanctuary Truth

Significantly, the Day-Star Extra dated February 7, 1846, had been devoted to the Bible study of Hiram Edson and O.R.L. Crosier in which they set forth from the Scriptures the evidence for the understanding that the two phases of ministry in the earthly sanctuary service were a type of Christ's ministry in the heavenly
sanctuary. Consequently, according to Edson and Crosier, events that were to come to pass, beginning on October 22, 1844, were
events taking place in heaven.

Re: "It Is Finished"?? #32044
03/02/05 11:43 AM
03/02/05 11:43 AM
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quote:
Anyone else find it interesting that it seems whatever it was, it was finnished before He died and not trough His death.
I beg to differ, Thomas.
Whatever it was, it was accomplished through His death. Of course He couldn’t have said anything after He died; therefore, He pronounced these words in the exact moment He was dying. Please notice the following excerpts of the texts I quoted in my last post:

When Christ died on Calvary's cross, he exclaimed in his expiring agony, 'It is finished;'”

with His parting breath He exclaimed, 'It is finished.'”

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