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Re: "It Is Finished"??
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03/02/05 08:12 PM
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The words that Christ exclaimed at Calvary reveal that a climatic goal had been reached in the plan of salvation – the antitypical sacrifice had been offered.
There are two more sayings of similar wording and they are described as this: I saw angels hurrying to and fro in heaven. An angel with a writer's inkhorn by his side returned from the earth and reported to Jesus that his work was done, and the saints were numbered and sealed. Then I saw Jesus, who had been ministering before the ark containing the ten commandments, throw down the censer. He raised His hands, and with a loud voice said, "It is done." And all the angelic host laid off their crowns as Jesus made the solemn declaration, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." {EW 279.2} - the antitypical close of probation. All heaven had united with Jesus, as they heard the fearful words, "It is done. It is finished." The plan of salvation had been accomplished, but few had chosen to accept it. And as mercy's sweet voice died away, fear and horror seized the wicked. With terrible distinctness they heard the words, "Too late! too late!" {EW 281.1} It is at midnight that God manifests His power for the deliverance of His people. The sun appears, shining in its strength. Signs and wonders follow in quick succession. The wicked look with terror and amazement upon the scene, while the righteous behold with solemn joy the tokens of their deliverance. Everything in nature seems turned out of its course. The streams cease to flow. Dark, heavy clouds come up and clash against each other. In the midst of the angry heavens is one clear space of indescribable glory, whence comes the voice of God like the sound of many waters, saying: "It is done." Revelation 16:17. {GC 636.2} - the antitypical jubilee.
His words exclaimed before his death do not elute to the fact that all was finished. The mystery that the Apostle Paul revealed in Col.1:26-27 has to be fulfilled and it is at the antitypical jubilee that God will have such a people.
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Re: "It Is Finished"??
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03/02/05 09:59 PM
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Yes, I agree with you Thomas, Jesus did not lay down His life until after He had accomplished His goals on the cross, until after the cup was dry and empty. Laying down His life happened after He had triumphed over our sin and second death.
DA 758 Christ did not yield up His life till He had accomplished the work which He came to do, and with His parting breath He exclaimed, "It is finished." John 19:30.
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Re: "It Is Finished"??
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03/02/05 10:03 PM
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I agree with Rosangela's explanation, which is that "it" refers to the Great Controversy in "It is finished." I will flesh out some of thoughts as to what this entails.
What were the primary issues involved in the Great Controversy? I can think of three. The first one involves God, the second sin, and the third the principle of self-exaltation.
Regarding God, Satan had made the accusation that God did not have the best interests of His creatures in mind. This was insinuated in Eden by way of his tempations to Eve. Christ fully proved the falseness of this idea by His death on the cross, which proved that God indeed places the interests of others above His own. We see this both from the perspective of God the Father, who was willing to send His Son at the risk of failure and eternal loss, and from the perspective of Christ Himself, who could not see through the portals of the tomb, yet was willing to die for all eternity if it would mean our salvation. (Hallelujah!)
Regarding the second issue, Satan had claimed that God had lied when he stated that sin would result in death. This lie has been a very important one of Satan's, and has led to many errors. One error is that if we believe that sin is basically innocuous, and does not have the power to destroy that God says it does, we will be led to false ideas regarding God. If we see sin as powerless to destroy, then the destruction which sin causes we will mistakenly cast upon God, just as the deceiver would wish. This leads us to a religion based on fear, where we view God as saying, "Do what I say, or I will kill you," rather than seeing reality, which is, "Trust in what I am telling you, or sin will destroy you."
The death of Christ demonstrates the truth about the awful power of sin. It caused even Christ to feel that He was being abandoned by God, and it was only due to His great trust in God and firm belief in the truth about God which led Him to victory.
The final issue regards the principle of self-exaltation. Christ's whole life, and His death in particular, demonstrates the insidiousness of the principle of self-exaltation and unmasked its inventor. Self-exaltation led God's creatures to crucify Him. This demonstrates our disposition towards God, apart from His grace.
The cross also laid bare the truth about the deceiver. After the cross, Satan had no more audience, as everyone knew who he was. And so it is written that the Accuser was "cast down."
God overcame and won the Great Controversy not by force (the principle of Satan's government), but on the basis of the principles of love and truth.
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Re: "It Is Finished"??
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03/02/05 11:26 PM
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All I know is that the gospel of John puts it this way quote: John 19: 28Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” 29A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus' lips. 30When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
And no, this is no atempt to remove the importance of the death, for : quote: 1 John 2: 1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense–Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Nevertheless, something seems to finnish before the death. Either this or John understood something wrong.
/Thomas
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Re: "It Is Finished"??
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03/03/05 08:56 PM
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John simply narrated what happened. As has been pointed out, Jesus couldn't say, "It is finished" after He was dead. He had to say it while He was yet living. But it was His death that ratified the New Covenant. "Without shedding of blood is no remission." Hebrews 9:22.
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Re: "It Is Finished"??
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03/05/05 12:32 AM
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I think that it is of importance that we note what events transpired immediately after Jesus said "It is finished".
Matthew 27:50,51; "And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom...."
This reference to the veil being torn from top to bottom would seem to indicate that Jesus death had some impact upon the Jewish sacrificial services. In fact, the event of Jesus death brought an end to the need for any further sacrifices to be offered.
More specifically, Jesus' Death was a fulfillment of the typical sacrifice of the "Lord's Goat" on the Day of Atonement.
"It is Finished" meant that the critical event that these sacrificial services had been fulfilled. Mankind's salvation had been accomplished in its totality. God, through the death of His Son, had done all that needed to be done in order for mankind to be saved. (Of course, the ultimate salvation of mankind rested solely upon his acceptance of this sacrifice in his behalf.)
The other types of the Day of Atonement services was fulfilled shortly after Jesus Death and Resurrection.
When Jesus arose on the third day, He made a special appearance before His Father which was typlified by the Jewish High Priest entering into the Most Holy Place with the blood of the "Lord's Goat".
Shortly after Jesus ascension to Heaven, the War in Heaven" took place(See Revelation 12) and Satan was banished to this earth. This was typlfied by the Scapegoat being banished from the temple/congregation and into the wilderness.
So, as can be seen, Jesus words "It is Finished" had a very important meaning for us. The Jewish Sacrificial Services had met their "Anti-Type" and their fulfillment was complete at the cross and shortly afterward.
God had done all that needed to be done to effect our salvation.
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Re: "It Is Finished"??
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03/05/05 06:57 PM
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Bob, I like what you posted about the death of Jesus, but your ideas regarding the war in heaven and the scapegoat do not coincide with the SDA statement of truth.
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Re: "It Is Finished"??
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03/05/05 07:07 PM
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John, without the resurrection there can be no remission of sins, either. It wasn't a matter of convenience that Jesus declared, It is finished, before He was dead. It was the truth. Jesus could not die before it was finished. Dying before it was finished would have left it unfinished. Don't forget, the sense of His Father's disfavor was withdrawn before He died. He was victorious before He died.
Suffering the pain and agony associated with sin and guilt is what pays the penalty for sinning, that satisfies the just and holy demands of the law - not death. Death is the end of suffering and punishment. Therefore, Jesus could not die before He paid the penalty. Thus, He suffered the punishment for the sins of the world before He died.
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Re: "It Is Finished"??
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03/07/05 05:28 AM
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What Christ suffered was simply the results of sin. It was not an arbitrary imposition on the part of God. God did not change; He just continued being Himself. Christ was affected by taking our sin upon Him: quote: 4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 BUT he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
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Re: "It Is Finished"??
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03/07/05 12:09 PM
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quote: Don't forget, the sense of His Father's disfavor was withdrawn before He died.
Mike, the following text doesn't seem to support this conclusion:
"All Heaven was gazing with profound interest upon the scene. The glorious Redeemer of a lost world was suffering the penalty of man's transgressions of the Father's law. He was about to ransom his people with his own blood. He was paying the claims of God's holy law. This was the means through which an end was to be finally made of sin and Satan, and his host to be vanquished. {PH169 8.2}
"Oh! was there ever suffering and sorrow like that endured by the dying Saviour? It was the sense of his Fathers's displeasure which made his cup so bitter. It was not bodily suffering which so quickly ended the life of Christ upon the cross. It was the crushing weight of the sins of the world, and a sense of his Father's wrath. The Father's glory and sustaining presence had been withdrawn from him, and despair pressed its crushing weight of darkness upon him, and forced from his pale and quivering lips the anguished cry. "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" {PH169 9.1}
"Jesus united with the Father in making the world. Amid the agonizing sufferings of the Son of God, blind and deluded men alone remain unfeeling. The chief priests and elders revile God's dear Son while in his expiring agonies. Yet inanimate nature groans in sympathy with her bleeding, dying Author. The earth trembles. The sun refuses to behold the scene. The heavens gather blackness. Angels have witnessed the sufferings of God's dear Son, until they can look no longer, and hide their faces from the horrid sight. Christ is dying! He is in despair! His Father's approving smile is removed, and angels are not permitted to lighten the gloom of the terrible hour. {PH169 9.2}
"Even doubts assailed the dying Son of God. He could not see through the portals of the tomb. Bright hope did not present to him his coming for from the tomb a conqueror and his Father's acceptance of his sacrifice. The sin of the world, with all its terribleness, was felt to the utmost by the Son of God. The displeasure of the Father for sin and its penalty which was death, were all that he could realize through this amazing darkness. He was tempted to fear that sin was so offensive in the sight of his Father, that he could not be reconciled to his Son. The fierce temptation that his own Father had forever left him caused that piercing cry from the cross. 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?' {PH169 10.1}
"Christ felt much as sinners will feel when the vials of God's wrath shall be poured out upon them. Black despair, like the pall of death, will gather about their guilty souls, and then they will realize to the fullest extent, the sinfulness of sin. Salvation has been purchased for them by the suffering and death of the Son of God. It might be theirs if they would accept it willingly, gladly, but none are compelled to yield obedience to the law of God. If they refuse the heavenly benefit, if they choose the pleasures and deceitfulness of sin, they can have their choice, and at the end receive their wages, which is the wrath of God and eternal death. {PH169 10.2}
"Faith and hope tremble in the expiring agonies of Christ, because God has removed the assurance he had heretofore given his beloved Son of his approbation and acceptance. The Redeemer of the world now relies upon the evidences which had hitherto strengthened him. That his Father accepted his labors, and was pleased with his work. In his dying agony, as he yields up his precious life, he has by faith alone to trust in Him whom it has ever been his joy to obey. He is not cheered with clear, bright rays of hope on the right hand nor on the left. All is enshrouded in oppressive gloom. Amid the awful darkness which is felt by sympathizing nature, the Redeemer drains the mysterious cup even to its dregs. Denied even bright hope and confidence in the triumph which will be his in the future, he cries with a loud voice, "Lord, into thy hands I commit my spirit." He is acquainted with the character of his Father, his justice, his mercy, and great love. In submission he drops into the hands of his Father. Amid the convulsions of nature are heard by the amazed spectators the dying words of the Man of Calvary." {PH169 10.3}
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