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Re: Clapping in church
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08/01/04 02:21 AM
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I think we need to be really careful about praising people, whatever the situation may be: "Our people are making very dangerous mistakes. We cannot praise and flatter any man without doing him a great wrong; those who do this will meet with serious disappointment. They trust too fully to finite man and not enough to God, who never errs. The eager desire to urge men into public notice is an evidence of backsliding from God and of friendship with the world. It is the spirit which characterizes the present day. It shows that men have not the mind of Jesus; spiritual blindness and poverty of soul have come upon them. Often persons of inferior minds look away from Jesus to a merely human standard, by which they are not made conscious of their own littleness, and hence have an undue estimate of their own capabilities and endowments. There is among us as a people an idolatry of human instrumentalities and mere human talent, and these even of a superficial character. We must die to self and cherish humble, childlike faith. God's people have departed from their simplicity. They have not made God their strength, and they are weak and faint, spiritually." {5T 75.2}
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Re: Clapping in church
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08/11/04 05:50 PM
08/11/04 05:50 PM
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quote: Originally posted by danielw: Very interesting study Paul-san. Here in Japan, many people say "Amen" during people's prayers, at appropriate pauses. I really, really like that, and naturally use it even when i go back to the States, but it seems to bother people so i try to remember where i am and not do it so much when back that way.
They do the same thing in Brazil (say "Amen" during prayers at appropriate times). I also like that a lot.
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Re: Clapping in church
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08/13/04 11:44 AM
08/13/04 11:44 AM
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Well, in the African context we have two types of clapping. The first is clapping as a means to applaude the performers, I've witnessed that on very few occasions (3 occasions to be precise). On the other hand we have clapping in a particular pattern as some sort of accompaniment to a song and this occurs very frequently it is mostly spontaneous and the entire congregation is involved. My question is are we getting it wrong?
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Re: Clapping in church
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08/13/04 12:12 PM
08/13/04 12:12 PM
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Are you saying that the second type of clapping is to the beat of the song? Interesting, over here usually the Cradle Roll children do this. Of the few songs our little children clap to, it is usually to every beat of the short song. Often it is used to keep the little hands busy occasionally--to keep their short attention span focused.
Edwin, which beat to you clap to? Every beat? In 4/4 time signature, would it be 1/3 beats or 2/4 beats? Just curious. [ August 13, 2004, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: debbie ]
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Re: Clapping in church
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08/13/04 12:34 PM
08/13/04 12:34 PM
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Debbie,
It is the second type of clapping and it is normally the 1/3 beats. Is there anything strange about the beats clapped?
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Re: Clapping in church
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08/14/04 12:04 AM
08/14/04 12:04 AM
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Edwin, are you sure it is the 1/3 beat? With the second type of clapping that you are talking about, normally people clap with every beat.
I'm not up on clapping especially but it seems if we emphasize any particular "beat" even the 1/3 beat that we are taking the emphasis from the melody...I know that most classical music has beautiful melodies and you don't hear much beat emphasis normally. I suppose Beethovens Fifth might have some but anyway, just a thought.
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Re: Clapping in church
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08/17/04 08:45 AM
08/17/04 08:45 AM
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Debbie, We've some tunes in which people clap out all the beats but in others we have some beats skipped. I get your take on classicals and I've found some where the beat is so irregular that I can't tap my foot at the beats, there's a piano concerto by Mozart which serves as an example but I can't remember it's number and therefore it is very difficult to clap to such, I am yet to get an example of such though.
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/08/05 05:13 AM
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While watching the Prophecy code recently, I had an interesting thought. People there would clap for someone entering the room, a song, the serom, a baptizum, and pretty much anything esle except one thing - prayer. I'm wondering we there was no applause for prayer but there was for everything else. Is it to do with reverence? If so, that seems a rather unusual double standard.
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/09/05 11:55 PM
04/09/05 11:55 PM
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Amen Dave. I agree that is a double standard. Our church is clapping for the baptisims, and some singing.
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/10/05 12:42 AM
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The same thing happened during the Seven Signs meetings.
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