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Re: Clapping in church
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04/15/05 04:12 AM
04/15/05 04:12 AM
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I think these are all the places in the KJV with the english word clap. However, it seems that these are based on three different hebrew words. Though I dont have the time right now to explore that fully.
/Thomas
Job 27: 22For God shall cast upon him, and not spare: he would fain flee out of his hand. 23Men shall clap their hands at him, and shall hiss him out of his place.
Job 34 36My desire is that Job may be tried unto the end because of his answers for wicked men. 37For he addeth rebellion unto his sin, he clappeth his hands among us, and multiplieth his words against God.
Psalm 47 1O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph. 2For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth. 3He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet.
Psalm 98 7Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. 8Let the floods clap their hands: let the hills be joyful together 9Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.
Isaiah 55 11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. 12For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. 13Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.
Lamentations 2 14Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment. 15All that pass by clap their hands at thee; they hiss and wag their head at the daughter of Jerusalem, saying, Is this the city that men call The perfection of beauty, The joy of the whole earth? 16All thine enemies have opened their mouth against thee: they hiss and gnash the teeth: they say, We have swallowed her up: certainly this is the day that we looked for; we have found, we have seen it.
Nahum 3 18Thy shepherds slumber, O king of Assyria: thy nobles shall dwell in the dust: thy people is scattered upon the mountains, and no man gathereth them. 19There is no healing of thy bruise; thy wound is grievous: all that hear the bruit of thee shall clap the hands over thee: for upon whom hath not thy wickedness passed continually?
2 Kings 11 11And the guard stood, every man with his weapons in his hand, round about the king, from the right corner of the temple to the left corner of the temple, along by the altar and the temple. 12And he brought forth the king's son, and put the crown upon him, and gave him the testimony; and they made him king, and anointed him; and they clapped their hands, and said, God save the king. 13And when Athaliah heard the noise of the guard and of the people, she came to the people into the temple of the LORD.
Ezekiel 25 5And I will make Rabbah a stable for camels, and the Ammonites a couching place for flocks: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 6For thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast clapped thine hands, and stamped with the feet, and rejoiced in heart with all thy despite against the land of Israel; 7Behold, therefore I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and will deliver thee for a spoil to the heathen; and I will cut thee off from the people, and I will cause thee to perish out of the countries: I will destroy thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/16/05 12:14 AM
04/16/05 12:14 AM
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This is what the SDA Binle Commentary has to say about the verse I posted, namely Psalms 47:1 quoted below:
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1. Voice of triumph. See 2 Sam. 6:15; 1 Chron. 15:28. Nothing short of such demonstrations as clapping and shouting appeared sufficient to the psalmist to express the praise that is due God (see Ps. 148, 149, 150). What kind of clapping and shouting is being referred to here?
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/16/05 02:09 AM
04/16/05 02:09 AM
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And is that clapping and shouting taking place in the sanctuary?
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/16/05 02:30 AM
04/16/05 02:30 AM
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As I see it, there are many ways to praise God, pray, and worship in the Bible, but when you are in God's house, you are to keep His rules. Just look at how particular God was about the sanctuary, the ark, and the keeping of cerin dates in the Old Testement. We should be attempting to meet what God wants not trying to make God meet what we want.
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/16/05 03:15 AM
04/16/05 03:15 AM
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come on Dave, are you going to suggest next that we impliment segregated seating? Gendre seperations, no children in the sanctuary? no congregational singing (John Huss introduced this form of singing only in the 1200's) no electrical intruments or audio video equipment?
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/16/05 04:14 AM
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Huh? Do the words "left field" mean anythig to you there? I'm not sure we are even on the same topic here.
If you want answers to your questions, search the scriptures. Try Jesus casting out the money changers to start with. There is plenty more to look at too.
What principals would relate to electric equipment?
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/16/05 07:41 AM
04/16/05 07:41 AM
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There is a connection between #1 clapping rejoicingly to God and #2 greedily making money under the pretence of assisting the worship service (ie the salesmen Jesus threw out)?
/Thomas
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/16/05 01:22 PM
04/16/05 01:22 PM
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Ps 89:7
"God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him."
Lev. 19:30
"Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord."
Lev. 26:2
"Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord."
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/16/05 03:00 PM
04/16/05 03:00 PM
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It would seem to me that in a discussion such as this we really cannot compare the sanctuary of old to a modern church. The Sanctuary was not the same as a church of today, it was the place where God literally dwelt, our churches today are not. Therefore the rules are not the same.
Redfog
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