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Re: Clapping in church
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04/19/05 11:55 AM
04/19/05 11:55 AM
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What juvenile sniping?? It is becoming unpleasant to read posts when people who apparently consider themselves mature Christians keep making such condescending remarks when anyone disagrees with them. There must be a better way to study....
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/19/05 01:00 PM
04/19/05 01:00 PM
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Tom, I'm beginning to wonder about your reading comprehension skills. I didn't suggest that Old Testament sanctuary rules of deportment should influence what we do today; Ellen White did. Your argument there is with her, not me.
And yes, as Wendy has already said, you're stretching things in quite a ridiculous fashion, and are attempting to make a mockery of a clear statement of Inspiration.
Again.
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/19/05 01:51 PM
04/19/05 01:51 PM
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quote:
and said to them, "It is written in the Scriptures that God said, "My Temple will be called a house of prayer.' But you are making it a hideout for thieves!"
Matthew 21:13
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"I will bring you to Zion, my sacred hill, give you joy in my house of prayer, and accept the sacrifices you offer on my altar. My Temple will be called a house of prayer for the people of all nations."
Isaiah 56:7
I'm thinking that if God's house is a house of prayer, he probobly does not want it to be a place of entertainment either.
It is important to note that Jesus said this. Was God dwellong in the earthlt sanctuary in a different way during the life of Jesus than he is now?
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/19/05 01:54 PM
04/19/05 01:54 PM
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Oh, and since you brought it up Tom, lets look at the proper context of your quote from Psalms. quote:
Lord, remember what the Edomites did on the day Jerusalem fell. They said, "Tear it down! Tear it down to its foundations!" People of Babylon, you will be destroyed. The people who pay you back for what you did to us will be happy. They will grab your babies and throw them against the rocks. A psalm of David.
Psalms 137:7 - 9
A much different meaning, and a strange way of trying to prouve your point.
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/19/05 04:30 PM
04/19/05 04:30 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave Hoover:
I'm thinking that if God's house is a house of prayer, he probobly does not want it to be a place of entertainment either.
Exactly, Gods house should be a house of prayer first and foremost. I wish this was the way most people felt. Then the midweek (or whenever it is held in your church) prayermeeting would be one of the focal points of church activity and not only for the few who now attend. More prayer to our churches would mend much that may now be called amiss.
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It is important to note that Jesus said this. Was God dwellong in the earthlt sanctuary in a different way during the life of Jesus than he is now?
God was once dwelling in the earthly temple/tabernacle in a way which He doesnt do today. In a vissible, glorious and deadly way where only the high priest could approach Him and live.
In Jesus day, God walked around galilee and judea with the twelve and the seventy, healing and teaching, calling all to fellowship with Him.
Today we are told by the words of Paul and Peter that the body of God/Jesus on earth is whereever we who are His diciples are gathering, sabbath morning in the church, monday morning in maybe in the factory, office or school.
/Thomas
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/19/05 10:21 PM
04/19/05 10:21 PM
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mOCKERY OF "cLEAR sTATEMENTS"???
cOME ON!
John! Dave! Wendy!
Why do you not take this topic on with scripture? BECAUSE scripture states that "we" His people are to worship in Spirit and in Truth! Lifting of Holy hands, Praising God with every Breath! Singing Praises unto the Lord!
(yes when I am back home I will give Bible reference to these statements and more! Thank God Spring is here and I am now 125 yards from the Ocean)
As for this topic of the Church today following the "sanctuary/temple service" has anyone sacrificed a lamb lately?
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/19/05 10:49 PM
04/19/05 10:49 PM
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Daniel:
Did you somehow miss the scripture I quoted? Since all scripture that you are refeing to has nothing to do with the house of God, I am assuming you just skipped over the ones I quoted. And again, you jump to the extreem to try and shoot down a point but John has alredy given an inspierd quote to go along with this.
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/20/05 12:58 AM
04/20/05 12:58 AM
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Are our bodies not the Temple of the Living God?
oh yes by the way, what about the Raising of Hands in Church??? No one seems to want to address this, although it has been asked here many times???
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/20/05 01:09 AM
04/20/05 01:09 AM
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I addressed it. Since you asked again, it depends on if it is asked for. It is really more like what happens at a christian rock concert.
Was Jesus correct in calling a building His Father's house?
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/20/05 11:44 AM
04/20/05 11:44 AM
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The expression of "you must be in left field" does not even apply here, because Dave your not even in the same "ball park"!
-Do you and others really think that the creator God wants from us to sit in church at 11 am on Sabbath morning and go through a man made system of ritual clock watching display??? Just look at the origins of our worship format. 11 am welcome and opening prayer, 11:10 opening Hymn 11:15 Childrens story 11:25 Offering 11:30 Special Music 11:35 Prayer 11:45 Sermon 12:15 closing Hymn 12:20 Postlude
Sound alive for the Lord eh?
I believe that God through scripture wants and calls for us "His Chosen People" to do more than "Sabbath Morning Church"! So this concept that the Church at Worship is to be a solemn and quiet time of reflection just doesn't cut it! For too long we His people have sat in our wooden pues and "played church" NOW is the time to Stand Up and be soldiers in His army! Like the song of "Onward Christian Soldiers"! This battle is not against flesh and blood BUT is against the spirits and principalities!
-PRAISE GOD! this will be the first Sabbath here in our Moncton Church where we will not be dividing the church but will be uniting His church:
9am Contemporary Church
10am Sabbath School (with all members of the 9am and 11am service meeting to study the word of God)
11am Traditional Church Service
This format will allow the church to meet and worship as they come before the Lord in His House! and by meeting together for Sabbath School, we will not be seperated but rather unified!
I will report on an on going basis the results of this change, I will be attending both the 9 am and 11 am services because I am the head of the Sound and light department at this church.
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