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Re: Clapping in church
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04/25/05 07:32 PM
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Why is Newton in the list? Question asked in light of Marks thread in the prophesy area.
/Thomas
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/25/05 08:53 PM
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Oops!! Good catch Thomas. My mistake. Thanks. Newton is among those listed as influencing the Age of Enlightenment by his earlier development of the scientific method as the foundation of his Natural Philosophy. Without thinking about it sufficiently I left him lumped in with the wrong crowd. I have edited him out of my post since he really doesn't fit in the group of "infidel authors". I should clarify that Newton was reputed to be in fact a very devote man and earnest Bible student. I suppose the one "controversial" idea in that sphere of thought was his rejection of trinitarianism. One might disagree with the aspect of his mechanical theory that casts God as a distant engineer, but his differing theology clearly doesn't put him in the infidel camp. Tom
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/26/05 01:01 AM
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If this side-topic is going to continue, shouldn't it be done as a new topic, or is it relevant to this topic?
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/26/05 03:41 AM
04/26/05 03:41 AM
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Daryl, do you mean by side topic, the discussion of “infidel authors”? If so, I think it is relevant to the discussion as a sub-issue, rather than a side topic. Speaking of the discussion of “infidel authors”, Quote: posted by DebbieIn the above quote Mrs. White is speaking of reading infidel authors but the same principle applies to trying to see what we can "pick and choose" out of Babyon to use in our SDA churches today |
Tom, you’re right about who the “infidels” are, but Debbie’s point that we shouldn't “pick and choose” from Babylon in the same way that we shouldn’t pick and choose out of “infidel authors” is a reasonable comparison. World of obvious difference notwithstanding, it doesn't really matter who the infidel authors are to make the point or by what means they dispense error. They could be just about anyone who disagrees with our theology. I didn’t take it that she was trying to make EGW comments re infidel authors link the two as much as just saying that as it is unwise to pick and choose from infidel authors, it is also unwise to pick and choose from “Babylon”—both can lead to error.
Also, I’m lost on the point about it’s impact on Adventist’s traditional interpretation of prophecy. I don’t see where the one leads to the other.
Personally, in church, I’d rather not see clapping as applause. But not because someone might get puffed up about their performance. I know that the “amens” are supposed to sort of signify “I was blessed by that”, or, “I agree with that, thank you”, but it’s about as easy for someone to begin to expect an amen as it is for applause. Amens can be just another form of applause. But I oppose clapping more because clapping just seems too rowdy. I like the traditional service, but that’s me.
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/26/05 06:20 AM
04/26/05 06:20 AM
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Dear Debbie,
"Bereans were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they gladly received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things are so".
Thank you so much for your submission, your courage is indeed worth emulating; courage to stand when champions are few. Allow me dear friend to stand with you in defense of the cause of truth.
The bible in the book of Psalms 77:13 KJV reads, "Thy way, O God, [is] in the sanctuary: who [is so] great a God as [our] God?".
Brethren, the contest between good and evil; controversy between Christ and Satan is over WORSHIP(not yelling, trying to add an emphasis). This war began right in heaven, "And there was war in heaven" (Rev 12:7) KJV.
Satan was filled great fury after he was thrown out of heaven, and his intention were to mar this planet earth with sin, fill it to the fullest with woe and ruin the life of humanity. Regardless of Satan’s endeavors to deface the character of God upon this earth, by making man to trample and make void the laws of God; God had a light shining in darkness in the lives of His faithful. Friends, we got to stand up like Abel and slaughter a lamb for worship and not burn vegetables. We cannot bring strange fire to worship like Nadab and Abihu did.
God tells us clearly from His Holy Word that HIS WAY, notice not His ways, but His WAY is in the Sanctuary. Ps 77:13 KJV. So if we want to have a proper understanding of how we should worship, the typical sanctuary service is there as our landmark.
Proverbs 22:28 KJV "Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set".
"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where [is] the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk [therein]". Jeremiah 6:16 KJV
Notice, there are many ways out there of worship in the Protestant and Pentecostal churches, some they shout, clap and lift their hands, some with music instruments and they have a bedlam of noise. But they that shall find rest for their souls, are they that shall find a "good way and walk therein".
Question: Do we see Israel clapping hands in the Sanctuary?
Sister White has the following to say, "We are in the great day of atonement, and the sacred work of Christ for the people of God that is going on at the present time [1882] in the heavenly sanctuary, should be our constant study" (Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 520).
In Rev 10 we see God toward the end of the close of time calling Seventh Day Adventist Church into existence. In Revelation 14:6-12 He empowers them with a peculiar and distinct message.
In conclusion I would appeal to all members to read Testimonies, Vol 5, p. 491-500.
Search the scriptures daily, like noble Bereans. Neville Appolus
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/26/05 09:57 AM
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Just read the first 1.5 pages of this thread again. I had forgoten, I suspect many of you have too. Maybe it would be good for more to retrace the ground already covered in this thread.
/Thomas
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/26/05 10:20 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Will: ...and hey could you even believe that no one raises their hands to "receive" the Holy Spirit yet the "proof is in the pudding" and we have the recipe! People are led to Christ by His word, and being converted, not by "oh this church was so cool, they had a rock band, and people were raising their hands. It was so spirit filled"..
Is there no positive way a church could be "spirit filled"? Was Jesus wrong when he said that it was better for the diciples that he ascended to heaven so that they could recieve the holy spirit instead? quote: Straight out Bible based Truths leading people to Christ is what its about. I am glad that the Bible is alive and does not need aids, but that people will by hearing His word receive faith, and come to repent and be saved.
This is the truth. Lets try to stick with the bible and dont throw things out of it becourse the devil has succeded to produce some spectacular copies. Look more to Jesus and less at humans (such as the pentecostals).
/Thomas
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/26/05 10:28 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Jeff: Tom, you’re right about who the “infidels” are, but Debbie’s point that we shouldn't “pick and choose” from Babylon in the same way that we shouldn’t pick and choose out of “infidel authors” is a reasonable comparison. World of obvious difference notwithstanding, it doesn't really matter who the infidel authors are to make the point or by what means they dispense error. They could be just about anyone who disagrees with our theology. I didn’t take it that she was trying to make EGW comments re infidel authors link the two as much as just saying that as it is unwise to pick and choose from infidel authors, it is also unwise to pick and choose from “Babylon”—both can lead to error.
With that definition of "infidel authors", some posts and thus posters in this thread could qualify as "infidel" by those who disagree with them...
/Thomas
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/26/05 10:35 AM
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Two questions. A) How does your post relate to the discussion or thread name? B) Can you give an example of how a proper SDA church service should look like, as detaljed as nessessary. What are we alloved to do? What is forbiden? How do you suggest we sacrafice the lamb as Abel did?
/Thomas
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Re: Clapping in church
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04/27/05 02:26 AM
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Thomas, why don't you do a study of the SOP and find out how we know the Holy Spirit has been poured out--what the characteristics are. I would be interested to know.
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