LOL

I know of a one handed bee keeper. Someone asked me how he could do the very labor intensive work of bee keeping with only one hand. I told them maybe he used a hired hand....


Sorry, I know that was bad,

Redfog

One of the biggest problems is that the real reason behind all of this celebration movement and clapping in the church is that there is a great movement to ecumenise all of the Churches in order to remove the distinguishing marks between them. Just as Ellen White warned, there would be a movement to unite on points in common.

The clapping and swaying is one of the ways of making it where all the churches are doing the same thing, including pentecostals, seventh day adventists and other christian churches. Then of course there will be the Sunday movement...

The catholic church is making itself appear more protestant, the protestant churches is making itself appear less different then the catholic church and all of them together are adding on the pentecostal-like clapping and shouting. It is all in reality being done to unite. While God is calling His people out of Babylon and warning them to keep His commandments, Satan is bringing in this false revival movement to unite all of the churches.

And then of course "after the fact" people are conjuring up all these "good sounding" and "plausible sounding" reasons as to why it is suddenly a good thing to hop around in church and shout and carry on and clap.... when that really isnt even the issue.

Its like taking a pig and trying to put lipstick on it. But the psychological effect Satan wants it all to have is still effective... unity and less and less difference between the denominations. I cringe every time I drive by these other denominational churches and see "Celebration" on their church signs. Most Christians dont put two and two together though, unfortunately. They cannot see the big picture of whats really taking place.


Claudia

That is absured to state that we who clap, raise hands or even move a little to a song are "becoming one with the Sunday Churches or with the Catholic Church".
-If conforming with the other Churches were an issue then we as SDAs need to look at the origins of our "traditional worship service" Who introduced congregational singing?? Answer John Huss (SDA? NO Ctaholic? YES) Offering being collected on Sabbath? The arrangement of the pues, hymn books, Preacher raised above the congregation, wearing ties, service from 11 am to 12 noonish. Not raising hands, lack of respect in the sanctuary, these are some very important issues that we could examine and bring condemnation upon those that do these things...
-Blanket statements against "Celebration" are not what God wants from us, for throughout Scripture we see a joy of worship, a joy in the Lord, a serious relationship with Him. Why do we (SDA) have such a paranoia of Worship? This is not to say let everything go, we must be responsible to understand the motives and direction that the Worship service is towards. Do we Celebrate peoples Anniversaries? Birthdays? Graduations? Weddings? ALL THE MORE REASON we should be Celebrating Sabbath! I look forward to Sabbath as a special Holy day, one where my family comes together to Worship Him!...

This is the prayer of Jesus:

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20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

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Why is this prayer of Jesus nowdays attributed to the devil?

/Thomas

Thomas I'm just an uneducated apiarist, can you expand the meaning and question of the last post?

Redfog

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Its in relation to what claudia wrote in this thread and others have voiced at other places. The idea that unity among christians is the first step towards persecution of SDA etc...

Claudia is 100% right. Anyone who studies what is happening in the Protestant Churches can see it clearly. However, many are blind.

Mrs. White has clearly stated we are not to resort to applause/clapping in our churches.

PERIOD!!

Good to see you Deb You are absolutely correct, Sister White warned against applause in a church service because it exalts a person.
I posted the entire chapter inorder for us to grasp what she said, and why she said it.

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Chap. 16 - Danger of Applause
I have been shown that great caution should be used, even when it is necessary to lift a burden of oppression from men and women, lest they lean to their own wisdom and fail to make God their only dependence. It is not safe to speak in praise of persons or to exalt the ability of a minister of Christ. In the day of God, very many will be weighed in the balance and found wanting because of exaltation. I would warn my brethren and sisters never to flatter persons because of their ability, for they cannot bear it. Self is easily exalted, and, in consequence, persons lose their balance. I say again to my brethren and sisters: If you would have your souls clean from the blood of all men, never flatter, never praise the efforts of poor mortals; for it may prove their ruin. It is unsafe, by our words and actions, to exalt a brother or sister, however apparently humble may be his or her deportment. If they really possess the meek and lowly spirit which God so highly esteems, help them to retain it. This will not be done by censuring them nor by neglecting to properly appreciate their true worth. But there are few who can bear praise without being injured. {3T 185.1}

Some ministers of ability who are now preaching present truth, love approbation. Applause stimulates them, as the
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glass of wine does the inebriate. Place these ministers where they have a small congregation which promises no special excitement and which provokes no decided opposition, and they will lose their interest and zeal, and appear as languid in the work as the inebriate when he is deprived of his dram. These men will fail to make real, practical laborers until they learn to labor without the excitement of applause.

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God Bless,
Will

Thank you Will for posting these quotes. They are priceless!