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Re: Mad Cow Disease Found in Washington State
#38276
12/30/03 09:59 PM
12/30/03 09:59 PM
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Dora: RE: quote:
I do not mean this as being argumentative................ I have no quarrel with you eating meat if you like,
I DON'T, I'm a VEGIN, and one thing I really DON'T LIKE is dead cow! (unless I go to Seattle or Victoria B.C. on a visit, then I'm a seafood nut ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif) .........I hope no one here has the stupidity to suggest that Christ didn't eat FISH!)
I just get a tad TIRED when someone uses BAD SCIENCE, QUOTES OUT OF CONTEXT, to come up with BAD THEOLOGY, and make things into SINS.....when they have NO SCRIPTURAL or SOP basis for doing so!
[ December 30, 2003, 07:34 PM: Message edited by: J. R. Layman ]
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Re: Mad Cow Disease Found in Washington State
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12/31/03 01:18 AM
12/31/03 01:18 AM
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JR: read the whole quote:
"Greater reforms should be seen among the people who claim to be looking for the soon appearing of Christ. Health reform is to do among our people a work which it has not yet done. There are those who ought to be awake to the danger of meat eating, who are still eating the flesh of animals, thus endangering the physical, mental, and spiritual health. Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God's people to walk no more with them." {CD 382.1} This was 1902.
Now her term "half converted" could mean part time vegans, right? She says meat, not beef.
Sin is also doing things that you like when you know God has instructed that for your generation (in our case the last highly polluted and toxic generation) that eating dead animals is dangerous, even spiritually.
If you wish to pick and choose what you want to believe, you have every right to live your life as you like. Only you have you to answer for.
However, for me not to side with the FACTS in the Advent Message just to justify my own tastes would be for me sin.
Oh, I have read your forum, understand your reasonings and do not wish to joust, spar,duel, or debate with you. If that makes me "chicken" in your eyes, so be it.
(fixed "joist" to "joust"...I would never make a feudal carpenter, would I?)
[ January 01, 2004, 12:22 AM: Message edited by: Ikan ]
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Re: Mad Cow Disease Found in Washington State
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12/31/03 02:50 AM
12/31/03 02:50 AM
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We're supposed to be preparing to go to heaven, right? In heaven there will be no meat eating. So it's a great idea to get accustomed to that lifestyle now, isn't it? Years ago when I was a new SDA I had this same question, Is it a sin for an SDA to eat meat. So I wrote to the late Bro. Joe Crews of Amazing Facts, a man I admired (and still admire) greatly, about this and some other questions I had. Part of his response: quote:
A final statement about Sister White's counsel on meat eating. Neither she nor the Seventh-day Adventist church have made meat eating a moral issue involving sin. In other words, to eat it per se does not involve an act of sin; but I think we need to remind outselves that with the additional light available to Seventh-day Adventists and the additional knowledge of the contamination of meat, etc., it certainly would be a sin for me to eat it, and probably for most of our people who have this knowledge. I would not call meat eating a sin for anyone, but I would call it a sin for myself, because of my convictions about its affect on the body.
That advice from Pastor Joe seems totally in line with the Bible and SOP to me.
"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." James 4:17.
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Re: Mad Cow Disease Found in Washington State
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12/31/03 05:44 PM
12/31/03 05:44 PM
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Regarding health reform, a recent survey in Kenya found out that meat and milk contain unacceptable levels of antibiotics, though I have very little knowledge of medicine, the residual antibiotics apparently increases the resistance of the bacteria to medicine and therefore makes the bacteria deadlier.
Blessings,
EDWIN
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Re: Mad Cow Disease Found in Washington State
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01/01/04 03:38 AM
01/01/04 03:38 AM
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Great publicity for Seventh Day Adventist here in the Baltimore Sun, Better then spouting off BAD SCIENCE.....BTW did any of you notice that it's TWICE as likely to kill you in the United States in taking a bath in a bathtub...then eating DEAD COW and geting CJD? Sportsmen enjoy rare Sunday of deer huntingOne-day reprieve granted, lifting state ban imposed during the Colonial era Baltimore Sun Chris Guy Published on December 1, 2003 © 2003- The Baltimore Sun quote:
WITTMAN (Md.) -- Michael Spencer and his 16-year-old son, Sean, weren't looking to make history when they drove down to the Eastern Shore from their Montgomery County home yesterday. But if the first Sunday of deer hunting in Maryland in 280 years was designed for anyone, it seemed perfect for them.
As Seventh-day Adventists, who celebrate the Sabbath on Saturdays, the Spencers, who live in Silver Spring, went to church on the opening day of deer season. This year though, like thousands of other hunters, they got in weekend shooting by taking advantage of a one-day reprieve from a state law that has banned Sunday hunting since the Colonial era.
"Ordinarily, we'd have to hunt on a weekday," said the elder Spencer, who stopped for breakfast at Wittman's Market in this Talbot County crossroads. "I bought a share of a lease to hunt on some private property down here this year, so this was ideal. It's really a great opportunity for us to come down and do something together."
The change in rules, sought for years by sportsmen, was approved by state lawmakers last spring.
For the Rev. Robert Kirkley, a Methodist minister since 1952 and an avid hunter for nearly 60 years, the Sunday hunting ban represented the last vestige of Maryland's blue law restrictions on Sunday activities, rules that were all but eliminated in the 1980s. Kirkley was preaching yesterday, after spending all day Saturday in an unsuccessful attempt to bag a deer.
"I think it's an antiquated idea," said Kirkley, who at age 74 serves three small congregations in rural Dorchester County. "I think it discriminates against anyone who doesn't observe the Sabbath on Sunday. Everybody else is allowed to pursue their hobby -- fishing, boating, golf, whatever -- on Sundays. Why not hunters?"
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Re: Mad Cow Disease Found in Washington State
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01/02/04 01:51 AM
01/02/04 01:51 AM
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J.R.,
The numbers about bathtub deaths vs. Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease cases coming from BSE in cows are, as you should know, meaningless.
"Junk science" includes drawing definite conclusions about a subject when there is insufficient data upon which to base such conclusions. And there is absolutely not enough data to draw firm conclusions about the causes and prevalence of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans.
The London Times, on August 23, 1997, reported that "A 24-year-old vegetarian has been diagnosed with Cruetzfeld-Jakob disease. Scientists fear that milk and cheese may be the source of infection."
More and more scientists are starting to think that many cases of the disease commonly diagnosed as Alzheimer's disease may in fact be undiagnosed cases of CJD.
The bottom line is, there's no rationale for coming to a verdict here; there's not enough reliable information. The jury's still out. All this 'peace and safety' talk from the CDC is not scientifically sound.
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[ January 02, 2004, 02:39 AM: Message edited by: John ]
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Re: Mad Cow Disease Found in Washington State
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01/02/04 05:02 AM
01/02/04 05:02 AM
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quote:
there's no rationale for coming to a verdict here; there's not enough reliable information
Thank you John, that is EXACTLY the point I've been trying to make all along!!!!!!
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http://www.local6.com/news/2737117/detail.html
"Frozen French Fries Prefried In Beef Tallow Sit In Limbo"
POSTED: 11:15 PM EST January 1, 2004
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KENNEWICK, Wash. -- Fallout from the mad cow scare in Washington state has hit the potato industry, with more than $500,000 worth of frozen French fries -- prefried in beef tallow -- held in limbo at ports.
The delay raises concerns that other exports containing beef products could be affected by the bans countries have imposed on U.S. beef because of mad cow disease.
French fries and other potato products are prefried in beef tallow or vegetable oil by the manufacturer before they are frozen and shipped. They are then fried again before being served.
Most products fried in beef tallow are exported, while vegetable oil is used domestically, said Pat Boss, executive director of the Washington State Potato Commission.
YUCK
Around here the problem is with Mexican food....they use lard in it. Recently I chatted with the owner of a restaurant, and he told me that they do it for the taste, YUCK. Although he was quite proud that they use only about 1/3 as compared to when his grandmother owned the restaurant. I told him 1/3 or not, I'm not eating it. Bottom line, it's basically unsafe (non-kosher) to eat Mexican food unless you KNOW the national chain doesn't use lard (particularly in the beans). And it's really bad to eat from any "Moma's....homestyle" Mexican Restaurant along the road!
[ January 02, 2004, 02:45 AM: Message edited by: J. R. Layman ]
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Re: Mad Cow Disease Found in Washington State
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01/02/04 05:48 AM
01/02/04 05:48 AM
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quote:
Thank you John, that is EXACTLY the point I've been trying to make all along!!!!!!
That's a two-edged sword there J.R.; on the one hand there's not enough information to justify going into a panic over Mad Cow disease in the U.S.; but on the other hand there's not enough information to say that we're more at risk from drowning in our bathtubs than from getting CJD from cow products, either.
In the early days of the AIDS epidemic scientists were basically burying their heads in the sand, saying there was nothing for the general public to worry about. (Sounds a lot like the CDC's present stance doesn't it...) History could be replaying itself, as it has a tendency to do. Maybe not. But why take chances.
I do know this -- the best way to keep from getting animal-carried diseases is to refrain from using animal products. That's not a matter of committing sin or not, per se; it's a matter of being just plain smart....or not.
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Re: Mad Cow Disease Found in Washington State
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01/02/04 02:56 PM
01/02/04 02:56 PM
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I foresee a "Mad Chicken" and "Mad Fish" discovery in the near future.
As a scuba diver, I know what fish and sea creatures eat! No thanks.
Spend a day at a chicken farm; pick an organic free range one, if you are squimish. A large percentage of chicken pecking is "used" chicken feed.
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