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You will remember, J. R., that when Ellen White first became an SDA christian, she ate not just clean meat, but unclean meat. God showed her in time when it was better for her to leave off this kind of diet. And it benefitted her and she steadily went forward rather than backward in her spiritual experiences.

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Actually her request of her DIL Mary, for Herring and Oysters was a full 25 years AFTER her vision on "health Reform!" (1857) As far as God "showing her." it was a Roman Catholic woman who took her to task for eating the flesh of animals, in the 1890's before she FINALLY gave up flesh eating, long AFTER she told others to do so, and claimed to have done so! I simply think we need to keep certain claims in perspective and FACTUAL

As I've said before. It's clear that Christ ate FISH.....And it is ONLY extra biblical suggestions that it is unwise to eat FISH. I think that if we're to slyly suggest that those who eat fish, or red meat will not be in heaven, That words to that effect should come from the BIBLE, and not from elsewhere! And since the Bible makes absolutely NO SUGGESTION that FISH are somehow sinful to eat, leading to one's utter damnation in hell. Anyone "Judging" another, for eating "FISH", even by sly innuendo (or quote) had better review the verse about judging others!!!!!!

Frankly I'll stick with the FISH, although not the Oysters (ever liked them anyway!) that our prophet Mrs. Ellen White continued to eat a FULL 25 years AFTER receiving her vision on health! They are, BTW quite delicious...Fish that is

FWIW…I’ve thrown out wheat, rice, crackers and apples that ALSO were wormy…….Although it seems rather silly to suggest that since one finds WORMS in organic foodstuffs, we ought to cease eating that also! Perhaps we should also cease eating breakfast cereals too, as there have been cases of sever rodent infestations known in grain elevators. e.g. some of the anecdotal “stories” about contamination in various food factories doesn’t prove anything, other then that or this particular factory (INCLUDING GRAIN/BREAKFAST CEREALS) had a hygiene problem!

Frankly I’d be more then a little worried about eating only a soybean based diet

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FARGO - North Dakota State University's Foundation Seed-stocks Program has been contaminated with genetically modified crops and cannot be trusted to segregate GM and non-GM wheat seed, a group critical of genetically modified crops said.

Theresa Podoll, executive director of the Northern Plains Sustainable Agriculture Society, sent out a news release Monday, saying NDSU's non-GM, Natto-type soybeans planted in 2002 may have been contaminated with GM beans.

Natto beans are specialty soybeans destined for premium food grade markets in Japan, typically unwelcoming to genetically modified products.

Podoll's group has been a strong opponent of commercialization of GM wheat, which also would have to be marketed to some countries and buyers who don't want it.

NDSU officials acknowledge a problem occurred but say it was properly handled.
Rogue seeds

Two lots of non-GM Natto beans were found contaminated with Monsanto's Roundup Ready soybean genetics, Podoll said.

NDSU officials say that sufficient steps have been taken to minimize the problem and avoid repeating it.

"In soybeans, we make every effort to prevent contamination and - if it occurs - we correct it," said M. Dale Williams, director of NDSU Foundation Seedstocks.

"Roundup Ready are two different animals," Williams said. "Roundup Ready soybeans are not regulated. Small amounts of it, or tolerances of amounts, are allowed in most markets.

It's not approached with the same amount of diligence as Roundup Ready wheat."
The soybean contamination occurred in the winter of 2000 when the Natto beans were planted in Chile for seed increase.

The seeds then were harvested and shipped to North Dakota in 2001 and planted at

NDSU's Agronomy Seed Farm near Casselton, N.D. Those fields produced some off-type plants, but GMO was not suspected, Williams said. Soybeans contaminated

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Actually her request of her DIL Mary, for Herring and Oysters was a full 25 years AFTER her vision on "health Reform!" (1857) As far as God "showing her." it was a Roman Catholic woman who took her to task for eating the flesh of animals, in the 1890's before she FINALLY gave up flesh eating, long AFTER she told others to do so, and claimed to have done so! I simply think we need to keep certain claims in perspective and FACTUAL

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The above statement you made is untrue

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Manuscript Release No. 852: The Development of Adventist Thinking on, page 2, paragraph 3
ONCE WHEN ELLEN WHITE WAS ILL, HER SON, W. C. WHITE, REPORTS THAT SHE WAS ENCOURAGED TO DRINK A LITTLE OYSTER BROTH TO SETTLE HER STOMACH. SHE IS SAID TO HAVE TRIED A SPOONFUL OR TWO, BUT THEN REFUSED THE REST. THERE IS HOWEVER, EVIDENCE THAT AT ONE POINT IN HER LIFE MRS. WHITE MOST LIKELY ATE SOME OYSTERS. IN 1882, WHEN SHE WAS LIVING AT HEALDSBURG, CALIFORNIA, SHE WROTE A LETTER TO HER DAUGHTER-IN-LAW, MARY KELSEY WHITE, IN OAKLAND, IN WHICH SHE MADE THE FOLLOWING REQUEST: ["Mary, if you can get me a good box of herrings, fresh ones, please do so. These last ones that Willie got are bitter and old. If you can buy cans, say, half a dozen cans, of good tomatoes, please do so. We shall need them. If you can get a few cans of good oysters, get them."]

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In 1895 she noted, "I have never felt that it was my duty to say that no one should taste of meat under any circumstances. To say this . . . would be carrying matters to extremes I have never felt that it was my duty to make sweeping assertions. What I have said I have said under a sense of duty, but I have been guarded in my statements, because I did not want to give occasion for anyone to be conscience for another" (Counsels on Diet and Foods, pp.462, 463).

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