I meant exactly that. What words mean can be different depending on who is speaking. You may have heard the story of the man who on the occasion of his 40th anniversary told the genie he wanted a wife who was 30 years younger than he was. He got his wish. The genie made him 30 years older than he was.

A cute story, but it does not prouve a whole lot or even answer the question.

But we are not talking about stories, we are talking about the Holy Scriptures, therefore, I would prefer a better answer than that when it comes to the words and details from the Bible, so my question remains, and I wait for a better and not confusing answer.

I can't respond, Daryl, because you edited out the sentence that elicited that response.

A good and nonconfused answere, yep, thats something weve been waiting for lately on these topics.

/Thomas

I edited that post within a minute after posting it as I felt it wasn't an appropriate comment to be publically posted, therefore, I will accept your last post regarding your response to that and move on from there, however, Darius, I truly do find most of your posts to be confusing to the reader, myself included, and from what I have gathered from others posts, others included also, therefore, I would appreciate you make less confusing posts and be more sensitive to others posts in relation to their confusion of your posts.

As some other threads have stressed the importance of studying and proving our beliefs from the Bible alone, I am bumping this thread for possible further discussion.

This discussion is continued from fundamental #2, which involves fundamental #1 not being followed.

Let me see if I understood you correctly dedication. You are saying that this conversation about 'trinity' and fundamental #2 has already taken place on these forums and that no further discussion is to be had openly? If that is correct, can you place in your next response the link to those places please. I would like to read through them to see the various positions held by those on this board who might still exist here. Thank you.

Also, if that is correct, I feel very sad that I could not have my own points openly known. I would still like the link placed in this thread to where I can go to the 'private' area and read the current or present discussion please. Can you, or another, kindly do that for me?

I do not intend to introduce "spiritual abuse" or "disrespectful" comments into the discussion, as the true intent is to consider what the Bible says, along with the SoP/ToJ. If truly there was "NO MEETING ground" (sic) between differing positions after "many years ... with pages and pages of posts" this means that it still needs to be discussed (openly), and allow fresh persons to enter the conversation. It is commonly known that after years go by, people can change in their thinking, and can come to differing conclusions even after having been settled into an ideology for so long a time. I am one such example, having been Roman Catholic for 30 years, and then suddenly God's Holy Spirit did something wonderful.

Why not at least consider what I might say from the Bible and SoP/ToJ?

Allow me to give you some insight into my own position:

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...quick-references-three-trio-etc.8060685/

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...roceeded-forth-in-john-8-42-kjb.8060465/

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...meaning-of-proverbs-8-22-31-kjb.8060316/

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...the-evidence-for-1-john-5-7-kjb.8060173/

Daryl actually knows who I am (at least as an online presence if not in actual name), as I am constantly banned from that 'Christian' website under false pretenses, even from the beginning (it has been probably over 50 times (minimally) now, maybe as far as 100, I lost count a long time ago. Daryl has been a part of that process in the past, though I cannot say what side he took, or on how many occasions, as all their Moderation deliberations are always in secret. Their only excuse is now, 'sockpuppet account' and simply terminate me, and yet they never desire to discuss their false reasons to have banned me in the first instances so many years ago, and why I must return as another account (so others may be helped). They have gone so far as to change their rules and web procedures because of my constant returning to help others, though 'leadership' there has long ago turned a deaf ear to pleas of justice, and even mercy. At least I still have good friends there, and I can always return when I feel like it. Never the less, long story, consider the material to get an idea of where I stand on the topic I desire to discuss from Scripture and SoP/ToJ, for I have done a thorough study of each.

If persons, believe in a Roman Catholic definition of "trinity" to which they use fundamental #2 as justification for they are indeed in error. I can cite their official definition if need be and show where it differs from the scriptural and SoP/ToJ position. I truly believe that the wording of fundamental #2 ought to be corrected by fundamental #1, for as of right now, it (f#2) is written in an incorrect ecumenical way, which does not rightly represent the Seventh-day Adventist position from both the law and the testimony (Isaiah 8:20). I also think it is dangerous to say it the way it is written, and can lead to incorrect understandings of the Gospel and matters salvation/redemption.

If we truly are not going to discuss fundamental #2 here by fundamental #1, I take my leave.

It's only when we are not allowed to do that publicly Daryl, and public threads are locked out, like fundamental #2, that my concern grows.

ADMIN HAT ON!

As I already stated, this is only to be discussed at the following link:

https://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=38574#Post38574

This thread is closed.

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