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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
#38953
01/07/04 02:50 AM
01/07/04 02:50 AM
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I think it is time to continue with this topic which I hope to contribute some time towards tomorrow.
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
#38954
05/30/04 10:47 PM
05/30/04 10:47 PM
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Well so much for continuing with it tomorrow as tomorrow was a few months ago. ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif) At Sabbath School last Sabbath, yesterday, I came across several verses in Isaiah that re-inforces the fact that Jesus Christ is none other than Jehovah God. quote:
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Who created the heavens and the earth? The following verses answers this question.
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Word, God, became flesh, Jesus Christ, and dwelt among us.
Again, Jesus Christ is Jehovah God.
Of course, I said all this as the JWs believe that Jesus Christ was only "a god."
What does the Bible say about this?
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Isaiah 43:10 "You are my witnesses," says the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.
Isaiah 43:11 I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior.
How then can Jesus Christ be simply a god?
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
#38955
05/31/04 01:47 PM
05/31/04 01:47 PM
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I decided to look up Isaiah 43:10, 11 in the New World Translation of the JWs. Here is how it reads: quote:
Isaiah 43:10 "You are my witnesses," is the utterance of Jehovah, "even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and have faith in me, and that you may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.
Isaiah 43:11 I - I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior."
Who is Jehovah in their own Bible translation? Jesus is Jehovah in their own Bible translation.
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
#38956
08/22/04 01:45 PM
08/22/04 01:45 PM
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This is a very interesting read. Although I am not a member I would like to add a few points.
Refering to an earlier post, my understanding is that the JW's, the LDS, the SDA's and several other groups arose from the general religious awakening of the early-to-mid 19th century, but not necessarily from the same Millerite group.
The last few postings refer to the nature of Christ. How does one reconcile the Christian understanding of One God (Jehovah) with the Muslim understanding of One God (Allah)?
Maybe this Christian/Muslim topic is being discussed elsewhere. If so, please direct me to it, Also, not being a member I cannot start a new topic, but I would appreciate it is someone would, as this question is very definitely off topic in this thread.
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
#38957
08/22/04 03:12 PM
08/22/04 03:12 PM
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Welcome, Cedric, to Maritime SDA OnLine! ![[Thank You]](graemlins/thanks.gif) ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif) In relation to your post and question, I have created a new topic where that question and other thoughts can be presented and discussed.
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
#38958
08/23/04 03:11 AM
08/23/04 03:11 AM
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Cedric said:
"Refering to an earlier post, my understanding is that the JW's, the LDS, the SDA's and several other groups arose from the general religious awakening of the early-to-mid 19th century, but not necessarily from the same Millerite group."
Both SDA's and JW have Millite backgrounds. I do not believe that the LDS had any connection to the Millerites. The Advent Christian Church, the Church of God (Seventh Day), and perhaps some other small groups also have Millerite backgrounds.
Pastor Mike
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
#38959
08/23/04 04:17 PM
08/23/04 04:17 PM
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What's interesting is that there were many movements that arose right about that same time. JW's, LDS, Christian Science, spiritism, Pentecostalism, Darwinian evolution, and Marxism all popped up in about the same time frame as the SDA Church.
The difference is, the SDA movement was in fulfillment of prophecy (Daniel 8:14; Revelation 10:8-11, 12:17, 14:6-12), and was marked by the true gift of prophecy in the life and ministry of Ellen G. White. The others were movements designed by the enemy to confuse people with a sea of counterfeits, so that God's true movement hopefully would get lost among the false. ('Hopefully' from Satan's point of view.)
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
#38960
09/06/04 02:27 AM
09/06/04 02:27 AM
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It is interesting that Darwinian Evolution (science) and Marxism (politics) is mentioned in the same context as the religious groups rising out of the religious awakening of the early 19th C. Can you briefly explain your rational for that, as well as the significance of it.
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
#38961
09/05/04 05:05 PM
09/05/04 05:05 PM
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All of the groups mentioned were movements/ideas that were designed to lead away from the knowledge of the true God. Darwinism does that by proposing a theory of origins that's contrary to Inspiration, that does away with the Fall and the need for a Savior. Marxism does it by saying there's no God at all. The other religious movements mentioned say there's a God, but they give distorted, untrue pictures of Him.
Adventism gives the truest picture of God that we humans have in this present world. All these other bogus movements arose at about the same time, in an effort on Satan's part to drown out the true amidst the false.
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
#38962
09/11/04 05:28 PM
09/11/04 05:28 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by John:
All of the groups mentioned were movements/ideas that were designed to lead away from the knowledge of the true God.
John, could you enlarge on this statement. Do you mean:
(A) these ideas result in a movement away from the true God, or
(B)that someone or some group actually sat down and said "Let's design a movement to lead people away from the true God."
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Adventism gives the truest picture of God that we humans have in this present world.
It is here that we must diverge, since it is my belief that Jesus gives the truest picture of God that we humans have in this present world.
At this point I would like to mention Paul's words in I Cor. 1:10-17 in that there should be no divisions in Christ. The concept of "denominations" is fundamentally unChristian in that we are called to unity (as opposed to uniformity) in the Spirit.
The question then becomes "What are the fundamentals of following Christ on which we must agree in order to call ourselves "Christians"? All else is peripheral.
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