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Re: The Gospel According To John #41311
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No answers??? Maybe, I need to be more specific.

What does born, "not of blood" mean?

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Re: The Gospel According To John #41312
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Where is everybody?????

I will wait until somebody answers my questions before I continue with this verse by verse study.

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Re: The Gospel According To John #41313
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To be born not of blood would mean that you are not a genetic descendent, not human born. Jesus told Nicodemus that we must be born of the spirit in answer to Nicodemus' statement about entering into to his mother's womb a second time. We become God's children by adoption.

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Re: The Gospel According To John #41314
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Thank you, Linda for that good answer.

Now, what does "not...of the will of the flesh" mean in this same verse?

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Re: The Gospel According To John #41315
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Gestational birth and spiritual birth are being contrasted. This experience of birth is not independent of the person being born's choice like physical birth.

It is a covenant of spiritual new life and loyalty built not by biology but through inreaching grace intelligently responded to from the heart transforming the life.

The power of God through His agencies (Scriptures, ordained circumstances that open the heart, His direct influence in the persons heart & mind.)

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Re: The Gospel According To John #41316
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Thank you Ed for your post.

Now, what does "not...of the will of man" mean in this same verse?

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Where did everybody go again?

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Re: The Gospel According To John #41318
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Hibernation in the den.

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Re: The Gospel According To John #41319
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Well, if nobody is inclined to answer that question, then I will move onto the next verse.

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Who is the Word in this verse?

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Re: The Gospel According To John #41320
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The will of man - seems like mortals did not decide the time, place, circumstances.

"The Saviour's coming was foretold in Eden. When Adam and Eve first heard the promise, they looked for its speedy fulfillment. They joyfully welcomed their first-born son, hoping that he might be the Deliverer. But the fulfillment of the promise tarried. Those who first received it died without the sight. From the days of Enoch the promise was repeated through patriarchs and prophets, keeping alive the hope of His appearing, and yet He came not. The prophecy of Daniel revealed the time of His advent, but not all rightly interpreted the message. Century after century passed away; the voices of the prophets ceased. The hand of the oppressor was heavy upon Israel, and many were ready to exclaim, "The days are prolonged, and every vision faileth." Ezek. 12:22. {Mar 9.1}

But like the stars in the vast circuit of their appointed path, God's purposes know no haste and no delay. Through the symbols of the great darkness and the smoking furnace, God had revealed to Abraham the bondage of Israel in Egypt, and had declared that the time of their sojourning should be four hundred years. "Afterward," He said, "shall they come out with great substance." Gen. 15:14. Against that word, all the power of Pharaoh's proud empire battled in vain. On "the self-same day" appointed in the divine promise, "it came to pass, that all the hosts of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt." Ex. 12:41. So in heaven's council the hour for the coming of Christ had been determined. When the great clock of time pointed to that hour, Jesus was born in Bethlehem. {Mar 9.2}
"When the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son." Providence had directed the movements of nations, and the tide of human impulse and influence, until the world was ripe for the coming of the Deliverer....
{Mar 9.3}

Word made flesh. The creator took the nature of the created in His efforts to save them.

"In the fullness of time He was to be revealed in human form. He was to take His position at the head of humanity by taking the nature but not the sinfulness of man. In heaven was heard the voice, "The Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord."--The Signs of the Times, May 29, 1901. {7ABC 447.1}

When Christ bowed His head and died, He bore the pillars of Satan's kingdom with Him to the earth. He vanquished Satan in the same nature over which in Eden Satan obtained the victory. The enemy was overcome by Christ in His human nature. The power of the Saviour's Godhead was hidden. He overcame in human nature, relying upon God for power.--The Youth's Instructor, April 25, 1901. {7ABC 447.2}

In taking upon Himself man's nature in its fallen condition, Christ did not in the least participate in its sin. He was subject to the infirmities and weaknesses by which man is encompassed, "that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses." He was touched with the feeling of our infirmities, and was in all points tempted like as we are. And yet He "knew no sin." He was the Lamb "without blemish and without spot." Could Satan in the least particular have tempted Christ to sin, he would have bruised the Saviour's head. As it was, he could only touch His heel. Had the head of Christ been touched, the hope of the human race would have perished. Divine wrath would have come upon Christ as it came upon Adam. . . . We should have no misgivings in regard to the perfect sinlessness of the human nature of Christ.-- The SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1131. {7ABC 447.3}

Be careful, exceedingly careful as to how you dwell upon the human nature of Christ. Do not set Him before the people as a man with the propensities of sin. He is the second Adam. The first Adam was created a pure, sinless being, without a taint of sin upon him; he was in the image of God. He could fall, and he did fall through transgressing. Because of sin his posterity was born with inherent propensities of disobedience. But Jesus Christ was the only begotten Son of God. He took upon Himself human nature, and was tempted in all points as human nature is tempted. He could have sinned; He could have fallen, but not for one moment was there in Him an evil propensity. He was assailed with temptations in the wilderness, as Adam was assailed with temptations in Eden.--Ibid., p. 1128.

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