I went, I read, I am still thinking.
Thi scenario makes a lot of sense.
i could see it happening.

it is a plausible interpretation of prophecie.
But, it is a possibility.

We will know when the time comes.
Only if we are with God will we make it through, no matter how it is fulfilled.

Mike, I think it may help if I explain a little more of my background. But because of what I want to say, I think it would be best to put it in a private forum. I'll start a topic in Sda Church Issues titled, "Every Wind of Doctrine."

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For I know that my redeemer liveth,
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Linda

Linda, thank you for clarifying your thoughts. And I agree with what you wrote. I love that EGW quote on the 7 thunders. It has intrigued me for years.

Now I'm just waiting on Durk to see what he has to say at this point. I get the feeling he isn't of the opinion that prophecy can be applied to more than one situation.

Gerry, I'm happy you are willing to allow for the asteroid interpretation. It makes alot of sense to me too.

God bless.

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Originally posted by Mike Lowe:
Durk,

What's your take on - "Thou must prophesy again" Rev 10:11? As I read it I get the impression God is saying something like - Okay, you made it through the Great Disappointment. Now I want you to repeat the prophecies again, only this time without the mistakes.

Does that count for a biblical precedence for dual application of prophecy?

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No.

I guess I read it just the way it looks, ie: make another prophecy [prophetic statement]. Not repeat the last one again. This time he is to make a prophesy about "many people, nations, languages and kings."

From the SDA Bible Commentary:

Thou must prophecy again. Compare Eze. 3:1, 4. Though John’s eating of the roll had ended in bitterness, Christ’s reassuring words to the prophet are that he is now to prophesy again. The word translated “must” is in an emphatic position in the Greek. John, as a representative of the advent believers after the disappointment, is placed under strong obligation to deliver a further message. A great work remains to be done. They must go forth and proclaim the message of the third angel, of Rev. 14:9–12.
Nichol, Francis D., The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, (Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald Publishing Association) 1978.

That explanation just doesn't stand up under scrutiny, nor does the Greek support the idea that the prophesy will repeat two or three times. It simply says that the Prophet must make another prophesy.

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Originally posted by Mike Lowe:
Now I'm just waiting on Durk to see what he has to say at this point. I get the feeling he isn't of the opinion that prophecy can be applied to more than one situation.

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Actually, Mike, the jury is still out on this one. What I'm saying is that I have not seen any support for the repeating fulfilment theory sola scriptura. As far as I can tell it is a purely human doctrine. That doesn't necessarily make it wrong; I just like to see it in Scripture.

Part of the problem, I think, is that there are so many events in history, and the prophecies are so nebulous, as Linda mentioned, that with a little creative work we can make any number of situations fit the prophecy, past, present or future. Often we see a really good fit with one or two points of the prophecy and the rest is so-so, but we say "hey, good enough for me." We don't pull all the elements together and and look for the perfect fit. And if it is a prophecy from God, there will be a perfect fit.

Ellen White and her people expected Christ's imminent return. So to them the dark day, the falling of the stars, the moon turning red, etc., was a pretty close fit. They forgot the part that said if the days were not cut short all life would perish. That is also part of the prophecy. But when papal domination ended in Europe MANY parts of the world had not even heard of Europe, let alone the pope, and were not in any danger of dying out.

All I'm saying is that our chronology is off, and there is no need to embarass ourselves by creating elaborate explanations to try to shore it up.

I must admit there is a lot of good discussion concerning these end times events. But, i must really strongly urge you that why sit here discussing these events while the most important part of the work is not being done. Thats the work thats done inside of you. Cathy is correct, the church has not lived up to the light it has. Its still the Remnant Church of God, but the members are ill prepared for the final events, whatever they may be and in what sequence. Its time to be in Christ, surrendered. Your lives, your will, your hearts, your finances..Its time to listen to what he has to say. Put on the full armor of Christ. WHile we sit in here discussing this and thats, the real work goes void. I have heard all your statements concerning the End times events, it really wont matter, if you heart is not surrendered to Christ. I leave you with a simple reminder from Paul. 1Co 13:1 ¶ Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

So lets learn to love Christ and he will lead us to our work for mankind. Let his sacrifice be indebted in our hearts and our lives will reflect his image. Prayer and studying should not be neglected, but we should be endeavoring to understand the scriptures in the light of the love and sacrifice of Jesus the Christ.

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Welcome to the forum, Remnant.

I think perhaps you misunderstand what is happening in this forum. These discussions spring out of our study of God's word and our desire to understand it. We also want to come to grips with how it is being interpreted.

And I don't think anybody can make a judgement about whats happening inside a person.

Take a moment to look at the prophecies and the comments posted and tell us what you think. The discussion has centered mostly around Matthew 24, especially verse 29, and Mark 13:29.

I think that Remnant has very good points. They are the same points that the Holy Spirit pointed out to me when I was spending hours on the forums. Why sit around discussing or arguing(worse)when we could be out doing. This forum is very temperate though. People have other things in there lives, unlike some of the other forums. So I think that Maritime is very balanced.

God bless,
Wendy

Not having access to a lot of books, my information comes mainly from here.
I am not able to get around as I like, so I 'visit' here on this and other forums.
I have learned patience ( still have a way to go on that one ), love, caring and helping from this and other places.
It is surprising how many come here looking for help and for a recharge of their 'spiritual batteries', and, by the grace of God, these forums have put me where I can be of help to some.

I appreciate what (and to a certain extent agree with) what Remnant said, but, if it weren't for this and other forums, I would be unable to be of service to many, if any, that need it.

I learn from these discussions, and can share with others when the occassion arises.

Yes, we need to have that relationship with Christ that makes us one of His, but, we need to share that with others, to help them to have that relationship as well.

Helping to understand prophecy and to be able to understand scripture and it's relevance to us today, is also important.
We may not be perfect at it, yet, but we are working at it.
Everyone that posts here helps in our spiritual growth, one way or another.