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Re: SIN (singular) and sins (plural) - Hogwash or Whitewash?
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How can you educate your children in the things of God unless you first know for yourselves what is right and what is wrong; unless you realize that obedience means eternal life, and disobedience eternal death? Make it your life-work to gain an understanding of the will of God. Thus only can you train your children aright. Bring your every word and action into harmony with the Word of God, irrespective of the opinions and practices of those who refuse to obey Him. {AUCR, September 15, 1902 par. 6}
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To every man, God has assigned a place in His great plan. By truth or falsehood, by folly or wisdom, each is fulfilling a purpose, bringing about certain results. And each, according as he chooses obedience or disobedience, is deciding his eternal destiny. To every one is given freedom to act, and upon every one rests the responsibility of his own actions. But our words and actions must pass the test of God's high standard, or we shall be bound up with the wicked, to receive an eternal retribution. {BTS, February 1, 1915 par. 1}
[ June 16, 2002, 09:52 PM: Message edited by: Avalee ]
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Re: SIN (singular) and sins (plural) - Hogwash or Whitewash?
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God's Moral Looking Glass
That I May Know Him
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But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. James 1:25.
At Dusseldorf we changed cars, [WRITTEN DURING A JOURNEY IN EUROPE.] and were obliged to wait two hours in the depot. Here we had an opportunity to study human nature. The ladies came in, changed their outer wraps, and then surveyed themselves on every side, to see that their dress was faultless. Then extra touches of powder must be put upon their faces. Long they lingered before the mirror in order to arrange their outward apparel to their satisfaction for the purpose of appearing their best when looked upon by human eyes. I thought of the law of God, the great moral looking glass into which the sinner is to look to discover the defects of his character. If all would study the law of God--the moral standard of character--as diligently and critically as many do their outward appearance by means of the looking glass, with a purpose to correct and reform every defect of character, what transformations would most assuredly take place in them. "For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: for he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was" (James 1:23, 24)....
There are many who view themselves as defective in character when they look into God's moral mirror, His law, but they have heard so much of "All you have to do is to believe" ... that after venturing to look into the mirror they straightway go from it retaining all their defects, with the words on their lips, "Jesus has done it all." These are represented by the figure that James has marked out--the man beholding himself and going away and forgetting what manner of man he was.... Faith and works are the two oars that must be used to urge the bark against the current of worldliness, pride, and vanity; and if these are not used, the boat will drift with the current downward to perdition. God help us to take care of the inward adorning, to set the heart in order as carefully as we arrange the outward apparel.
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Re: SIN (singular) and sins (plural) - Hogwash or Whitewash?
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Evidence of Our Allegiance
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If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15
Let this point be fully settled in every mind: If we accept Christ as a Redeemer we must accept Him as a Ruler. We cannot have the assurance, the perfect, confiding trust in Christ as our Saviour, until we acknowledge Him and are obedient to His commandments. Thus we evidence our allegiance to God. We have then the genuine ring in our faith. It works by love. Speak it from your heart: "Lord, I believe Thou hast died to redeem my soul. If Thou hast placed such a value upon my soul as to give Thy life for mine, I give my life and all its possibilities in all my weakness into Thy keeping." The will must be brought into complete harmony with the will of God.
Today the invitation is given: "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls" (Matt. 11:28, 29). Christ has rest for all who will wear His yoke and learn His meekness and lowliness of heart. Here we are taught restraint and obedience, and in this we shall find rest. Thank God that in humility and obedience we shall find just that which we all need so much--the rest that is found in faith and confidence and perfect trust. We must not manufacture an oppressive yoke for our necks. Let us take the yoke of Christ and in entire obedience draw with Him. . . .
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love" (John 15:10). This is the yoke which Christ invites us to wear--the yoke of obedience. Can we not say, "Lord, I take Thee at Thy word; I receive Thy promise. I come to Thee because I need Thee as a personal Saviour. I must have an abiding Christ. I am dependent on Thee. Thou art mine." Christ says, "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them"--not in pretense, but with the whole mind, heart, soul, and strength--"he it is that loveth me" (John 14:21). This is the true test of character. We must be doers of the Word. {TMK 293.4}
OK OK this was the last one...fo now!!!!..I got to studying this and found so many beautiful promise from God..I could not stop...but I will...
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Re: SIN (singular) and sins (plural) - Hogwash or Whitewash?
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In simple English:
Weakened through sin, we can not of ourselves keep the law of God. But Christ came to our world to restore the moral image of God in men, and to bring them back from the path of disobedience to a path of obedience. His mission to the world was to reveal the character of God by living the Law, which is the foundation of His government; and those who will accept Him as their personal Saviour will grow in grace, and in His strength will be enabled to obey the Law of God.
Is that plain enough?
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Re: SIN (singular) and sins (plural) - Hogwash or Whitewash?
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Mike.
Thanks again as you understand my view and agree that it is according to the heart of Pauline epistle.
Why does the other not?
What is more important, keeping the law or having the “love of God” in our heart?
If they could not see the difference, they would hardly understand the Gospel of Christ.
In His love
James S
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Re: SIN (singular) and sins (plural) - Hogwash or Whitewash?
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It's too clear from what Charlene and Avalee posted that the Gospel cannot be separated from the Law for all mankind that He wrote. Sorry James and Mike, but either you understand that Christ empowers you obey the Father's rules of love through living in you, or you remain a Romans 7 man, sinning and repenting in an endless cycle, hoping that He will wink at your sloppy attempts and excuses.
This way of life of seeing Christ has justified wars, Crusades, "christian politics", popery and a tide of fake christianity, banking on the imputed character of Christ, but never wanting to live the imaprted character of Christ.
You are how you act, not what you claim.
Righteousness is right-doing, nothing else.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:20 Want indien zij, nadat zij door de kennis van den Heere en Zaligmaker Jezus Christus, de besmettingen der wereld ontvloden zijn, en in dezelve wederom ingewikkeld zijnde, van dezelve overwonnen worden, zo is hun het laatste erger geworden dan het eerste.
Mixed up theology is as much a pollution as any other. If you reject God's light, even if it comes from a woman in 19th century America, then you are stumbling in the dark out of choice. To starve in the Oasis Christ has planted and then to parade around it to draw others out is a sad, sad thing.
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Re: SIN (singular) and sins (plural) - Hogwash or Whitewash?
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Charlene, Avalee and Ikan, please take a closer look at Paul's counsel and insight regarding the difference between keeping the law and keeping the the faith. The two are not one and the same according Paul's theology.
People who set out to keep the law are law breakers, not law keepers. That's exactly what Paul is saying. That's what he was guilty of before he accepted Jesus as his Lord and Saviour.
"He who is trying to reach heaven by his own works in keeping the law is attempting an impossibility." DA 172.1
The only way our life can be in harmony with the principles of the law, the only way we can grow in grace, the only way we can mature in the fruit of the Spirit, is by being connected to the Vine, Jesus Christ. We keep the faith in order to keep the law.
James, your understanding of this truth is actually in harmony with Ellen White. There are no contradictions between her view and the Bible.
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Re: SIN (singular) and sins (plural) - Hogwash or Whitewash?
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Mike,
you certainly know by now, after reading many of my posts that i do not believe we keep the law without Christ. I do not speak fo Avalee Or Ikan but I have not been shown by their posts that they believe that either. Seems your reaching to be in harmony with James and against The teachings of Bible and SOP.
We make choices, Yes. "with God all things are possibe" so do we choose to obey, yes, because Jesus is the Love of our life. Do we follow in His footsteps? Yes, "Let this mind be in you that is also in Christ Jesus". Is true obedience to His laws and statutes a matter of our gritting out teeth, planting our feet and flexing our muscles to obey...NO! "Without me you can do nothing". No one is talking works...we are talking about the "Fruit of faith" which is obedience to all His commands.
You seem to be saying Legalism [Obey to be saved]is wrong.....you is right.
I say we obey because we are saved, that is Keeping the faith that works by love.
There is no way that can be taught from the Bible or the SOP that does away with the commandments of God. Even when written on the Heart.....they are and must be present still.
Your statement above about obedience or disobedience having nothing to do with our salvation....i would like for you to address.
The Signs of the Times---DT- 05-16-95
The Whole Duty of Man
While we are admonished to obedience, we are not to think that we can merit salvation by our good works. Salvation is the free gift of God, and it
is to be received by faith. It is provided for the repentant soul by Christ through the great plan of redemption. But the proof of our love to him, the evidence of our faith, will be found in our obedience to God's holy law. Our Saviour says, "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me; and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." Christ enjoins upon us the keeping of
the commandments because he knows that in keeping them there is great reward, the revealing of a character after the divine similitude."
We are not under the law unless we break it. We don't get a ticket for speeding unless we are speeding. The breakers of the law are condemed because they have broken the law. The doers of the law are God's people for they will do His pleasure. Every command God gives contains the promise of the enabling power of Grace to achive the doing.
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Re: SIN (singular) and sins (plural) - Hogwash or Whitewash?
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“While it is true that legalism is never obedience, it is likewise true that genuine obedience is never legalism.”
A statement from an article by Robert Wieland.
Amen Charlene...I am sadden that there are those of God's church that have these thoughts about the wonderful commandments God has given us...they are His character...how can something that is God's character be a burden?..but it does not matter what saddens me....but it does matter what saddens God.
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Re: SIN (singular) and sins (plural) - Hogwash or Whitewash?
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Those who are justified by faith must have a heart to keep the way of the Lord. It is an evidence that a man is not justified by faith when his works do not correspond to his profession. James says, "Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was his faith made perfect?" (James 2:22). {1SM 397.2}
The faith that does not produce good works does not justify the soul. "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" (James 2:24). "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness" (Rom. 4:3). {1SM 397.3}
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