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9/11 and Prophecy #45805
09/10/02 05:58 PM
09/10/02 05:58 PM
Mountain Man  Offline OP
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Do the events of 9/11 indicate that the coming of Jesus is nigh at hand? Some people seem to think so.

I believe that similar events happening around the world are indeed signs of times, but I do not believe that they mean Jesus is coming soon. Not until natural disasters cripple the cash flow of Americans can we proclaim that the final events are upon us. That's when they will attempt to appease the supposed wrath of God by observing the Sunday. Until then things will continue as they have been for the last 100 years - Peace and safety.

What do you think?

Re: 9/11 and Prophecy #45806
09/16/02 10:11 PM
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Mike

What prophecy are you going by when you say that the cash flow of Americans must be stopped first, before "final events can come upon us?"

Can you supply us with clear Scripture reference for this? [Frown]

Re: 9/11 and Prophecy #45807
09/20/02 06:54 PM
09/20/02 06:54 PM
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I believe the following prophecies symbolize what I've suggested:

Revelation 6
1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

NOTE: I believe this symbolizes God's people preaching the everlasting gospel.

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

NOTE: I believe this symbolizes the chaos happening around the world.

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

NOTE: I believe this symbolizes economic collapse.

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

NOTE: I believe this symbolizes world wide trouble.

Revelation 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

NOTE: I believe this symbolizes the USA making it difficult for God's people during economic tuff times.

Re: 9/11 and Prophecy #45808
09/21/02 11:55 AM
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quote:

The Impending Conflict
Chapter 36
Page 589-590


http://www.egwestate.andrews.edu/gc/gc36.html

Satan works through the elements also to garner his harvest of unprepared souls. He has studied the secrets of the laboratories of nature, and he uses all his power to control the elements as far as God allows. When he was suffered to afflict Job, how quickly flocks and herds, servants, houses, children, were swept away, one trouble succeeding another as in a moment. It is God that shields His creatures and hedges them in from the power of the destroyer. But the Christian world have shown contempt for the law of Jehovah; and the Lord will do just what He has declared that He would--He will withdraw His blessings from the earth and remove His protecting care from those who are rebelling against His law and teaching and forcing others to do the same. Satan has control of all whom God does not especially guard. He will favor and prosper some in order to further his own designs, and he will bring trouble upon others and lead men to believe that it is God who is afflicting them.

While appearing to the children of men as a great physician who can heal all their maladies, he will bring disease and disaster, until populous cities are reduced to ruin and desolation. Even now he is at work. In accidents and calamities by sea and by land, in great conflagrations, in fierce tornadoes and terrific hailstorms, in tempests, floods, cyclones, tidal waves, and earthquakes, in every place and in a thousand forms, Satan is exercising his power. He sweeps away the ripening harvest, and famine and distress follow. He imparts to the air a deadly taint, and thousands perish by the pestilence. These visitations are to become more and more frequent and disastrous. Destruction will be upon both man and beast. "The earth mourneth and fadeth away," "the haughty people . . . do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant." Isaiah 24:4, 5.

And then the great deceiver will persuade men that those who serve God are causing these evils. The class that have provoked the displeasure of Heaven will charge all their troubles upon those whose obedience to God's commandments is a perpetual reproof to transgressors. It will be declared that men are offending God by the violation of the Sunday sabbath; that this sin has brought calamities which will not cease until Sunday observance shall be strictly enforced; and that those who present the claims of the fourth commandment, thus destroying reverence for Sunday, are troublers of the people, preventing their restoration to divine favor and temporal prosperity. Thus the accusation urged of old against the servant of God will be repeated and upon grounds equally well established: "And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the Lord, and thou hast followed Baalim." 1 Kings 18:17, 18. As the wrath of the people shall be excited by false charges, they will pursue a course toward God's ambassadors very similar to that which apostate Israel pursued toward Elijah.


I have been also thinking about these things lately and I feel that Jesus' coming is soon. I know alot of things have to happen before the people will go along with what the Spirit of Prophecy says will happen to bring in the Sunday Laws, etc. I remembered that it would be something to do with economics but had forgotten the part about the storms, natural disasters, etc.

Re: 9/11 and Prophecy #45809
10/16/02 04:22 AM
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Mike: are you re-applying the seals? The sixth seal ended on the 11th of August 1840. G.C.334,335,

[ October 16, 2002, 02:28 AM: Message edited by: adventbeliever ]

Re: 9/11 and Prophecy #45810
10/17/02 07:48 PM
10/17/02 07:48 PM
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Yes. I believe the prophecies of John leading up to the Great Disappointment of 1844 have a dual application in future during the final crisis - minus the time aspects.

Rev 10:6,11
There should be time no longer... And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


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