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Re: Does God Foresee or Foreknow What Will Happen Before It Happens, Such As Sin?
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09/13/03 09:39 PM
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Posted by Steve:
So then Daryl would you say God's foreknowing does not affect our choice even as it does not affect His desire to save us?
Yes, as I believe that God doesn't tamper with our freedom of choice, or free will, however, with those choices comes consequences, blessings or curses.
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Re: Does God Foresee or Foreknow What Will Happen Before It Happens, Such As Sin?
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09/14/03 12:54 AM
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Thanks Mike, Daryl, Steve
In your above expressions it has been proposed that God's foreknowledge has no effect/impact on either his actions or our choices.
The next question then to answer is whether God's foreknowledge has any basis on his actions or our choices? That is, is his foreknowledge based on his knowledge of himself and on his knowledge of us and the basis of our choices?
Shalom
P.S. Thanks for the welcome back Mike. I'll get back to some things you said but first this question.
[ September 14, 2003, 08:15 AM: Message edited by: John Boskovic ]
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Re: Does God Foresee or Foreknow What Will Happen Before It Happens, Such As Sin?
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09/15/03 07:42 PM
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God's foreknowledge is based on what He did to influence us to accept Jesus as our personal Saviour. Everything He does to encourage us to embrace Jesus is what He did do.
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Re: Does God Foresee or Foreknow What Will Happen Before It Happens, Such As Sin?
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09/20/03 12:16 AM
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Since no one else added to your comments, it seems they agree with you Mike.
From what you said, I understand that God's foreknowledge has its basis on God's knowledge of himself and his actions.
Am I to understand, by the absence of your further comments, that God's foreknowledge has no basis on his knowledge of us and the basis of our choices? If so, does that mean that our choices and we have no impact on the outcome and therefore his foreknowledge does not need to include that in its view?
Shalom
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Re: Does God Foresee or Foreknow What Will Happen Before It Happens, Such As Sin?
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09/22/03 06:30 PM
09/22/03 06:30 PM
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Am I to understand, by the absence of your further comments, that God's foreknowledge has no basis on his knowledge of us and the basis of our choices? If so, does that mean that our choices and we have no impact on the outcome and therefore his foreknowledge does not need to include that in its view?
I don’t know how that could be. It would be a very dangerous gamble to try and influence choices by man (to choose Jesus) and not know what the outcome of that action would be.
For example;
“"Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever; wisdom and power are his. 21 He changes times and seasons; he sets up kings and deposes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.” Daniel 2
Clearly God is trying to influence the outcome or direction of mankind. However, to do that without have a knowledge of the outcome would be dangerous at best.
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Re: Does God Foresee or Foreknow What Will Happen Before It Happens, Such As Sin?
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09/22/03 11:58 PM
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John, what I wrote about God's foreknowledge of His own involvement is also true of mankind. Anything and everything that has happened, is happening or will happen God has known about for eternity. Knowing the end from the beginning does not destroy freedom of choice.
Judas fulfilled prophecy. Peter denied the Lord three times. Cyrus allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem. Jonah told the Ninevites they would be destroyed in 40 days. Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia and Rome followed each other in succession. And so on. But not once did God violate the freedom to choose.
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