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Is Genuine Conversion A Daily Experience?
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10/05/05 02:18 AM
10/05/05 02:18 AM
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Is genuine conversion a daily experience?
I think the following quote answers this question:
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Genuine conversion is needed, not once in years, but daily. This conversion brings man into a new relation with God. Old things, his natural passions and hereditary and cultivated tendencies to wrong, pass away, and he is renewed and sanctified. But this work must be continual; for as long as Satan exists, he will make an effort to carry on his work. He who strives to serve God will encounter a strong undercurrent of wrong. His heart needs to be barricaded by constant watchfulness and prayer, or else the embankment will give way; and like a mill-stream, the undercurrent of wrong will sweep away the safeguard. No renewed heart can be kept in a condition of sweetness without the daily
application of the salt of the word. Divine grace must be received daily, or no man will stay converted. {RH, September 14, 1897 par. 9}
Quite a powerful statement and warning for all of us.
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Re: Is Genuine Conversion A Daily Experience?
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10/05/05 03:58 AM
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"Conversion" means "an event that results in a transformation." If our transformation is a daily experience, then so must our conversion be.
Conversion involves changine our way of thinking, of being. This happens as we behold the truth in Jesus Christ. As He put it, "To know God is eternal life" or, in more vernacular English, "Knowing God is eternal life."
Knowing God is an on-going day-by-day experience. To know Him is to love Him.
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Re: Is Genuine Conversion A Daily Experience?
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10/06/05 03:40 AM
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It would be a grave mistake to assume needing a fresh, daily conversion implies we sin and repent on a daily basis, or that we were not born again morally perfect. We do not gradually outgrow our moral imperfections after we are born again. Sanctification is the process of becoming more and more like Jesus, more and more mature in the righteous attributes of God, more and more mature in the fruits of the Spirit.
COL 330
God will accept only those who are determined to aim high. He places every human agent under obligation to do his best. Moral perfection is required of all. Never should we lower the standard of righteousness in order to accommodate inherited or cultivated tendencies to wrong-doing. We need to understand that imperfection of character is sin. All righteous attributes of character dwell in God as a perfect, harmonious whole, and every one who receives Christ as a personal Saviour is privileged to possess these attributes. {COL 330.2}
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Re: Is Genuine Conversion A Daily Experience?
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10/06/05 12:47 AM
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Daniel was addressing conversion, not sanctification or perfection of character. It's certainly true that conversion is necessary in order for sanctification or perfection of character to occur;there's no reason to assume that conversion implies one is sinning.
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Re: Is Genuine Conversion A Daily Experience?
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10/06/05 12:52 AM
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Re: Is Genuine Conversion A Daily Experience?
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10/06/05 01:08 PM
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Daniel Fawcett ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) (P.S. Dare to be a Daniel)
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Re: Is Genuine Conversion A Daily Experience?
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10/06/05 07:14 PM
10/06/05 07:14 PM
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Tom,
You said in one of your previous posts, "Daniel was addressing conversion, not sanctification or perfection of character."
If you are referring to the book of Daniel, then can you provide me/us with an reference?
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Re: Is Genuine Conversion A Daily Experience?
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10/06/05 11:23 PM
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I was refering to you. "Daryl" is hard for me to type, for some reason.
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Re: Is Genuine Conversion A Daily Experience?
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10/06/05 11:50 PM
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OK. I finally understand it all now. ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif) I trust everybody else does too. Now back to the topic itself.
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Re: Is Genuine Conversion A Daily Experience?
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10/07/05 02:34 AM
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Ok. Yes, of course, conversion is a daily experience. quote:
It is not only at the beginning of the Christian life that this renunciation of self is to be made. At every advance step heavenward it is to be renewed. All our good works are dependent on a power outside of ourselves. Therefore there needs to be a continual reaching out of the heart after God, a continual, earnest, heartbreaking confession of sin and humbling of the soul before Him. Only by constant renunciation of self and dependence on Christ can we walk safely.
The nearer we come to Jesus and the more clearly we discern the purity of His character, the more clearly we shall discern the exceeding sinfulness of sin and the less we shall feel like exalting ourselves. (COL 159, 160)
Speaking of self, here's another quote dealing with the renunciation of self
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The Saviour longs to give us a greater blessing than we ask; and He delays the answer to our request that He may show us the evil of our own hearts, and our deep need of His grace. He desires us to renounce the selfishness that leads us to seek Him. Confessing our helplessness and bitter need, we are to trust ourselves wholly to His love.(DA 200)
This quote puts a dent in the idea everything happens when we are born again, doesn't it?
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