MM, in that case please explain why God keeps Lucifer alive and not us.

What about "someone else sins, you die", with Jesus being the prime example.

OK Darius tell us why sin does not cause death.

Redfog

Ok MM I guess you are right but it is still sin that will cause God to quite sustaining life right? So in effect the sin leads to the cause of death. If the wages of sin are death then sinning will lead to our demise but maybe not directly cause it. Of course we are talking about the 2nd death that will occur after the 1000 years.

Redfog

Yes, that's what makes sense to me. However, you are going to find out, when he reads our posts, that Tom Ewall emphatically opposes it. He will argue that unsaved sinners destroy themselves, that they place themselves so out of harmony with God that His presence will be a consuming fire, and that God will not prevent His glory from consuming them.

He will say that the following quotes prove God does not destroy unsaved sinners, they destroy themselves. He will argue it has ever been this way. The Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the plagues on Egypt, and the seven last plagues, are all examples of God allowing the forces of nature and/or evil angels to destroy unsaved sinners. He will also say that the lake of fire is caused by God allowing His glory to consume the unsaved.

5T
God destroys no one. The sinner destroys himself by his own impenitence. {5T 120.1}

GC 37
By a life of sin, they have placed themselves so out of harmony with God, their natures have become so debased with evil, that the manifestation of His glory is to them a consuming fire. {GC 37.1}

DA 107, 108
To sin, wherever found, "our God is a consuming fire." Heb. 12:29. In all who submit to His power the Spirit of God will consume sin. But if men cling to sin, they become identified with it. Then the glory of God, which destroys sin, must destroy them. . . . The light of the glory of God, which imparts life to the righteous, will slay the wicked. {DA 107.4}

SC 18
It is no arbitrary decree on the part of God that excludes the wicked from heaven; they are shut out by their own unfitness for its companionship. The glory of God would be to them a consuming fire. They would welcome destruction, that they might be hidden from the face of Him who died to redeem them. {SC 17.2}

DA 764
This is not an act of arbitrary power on the part of God. The rejecters of His mercy reap that which they have sown. God is the fountain of life; and when one chooses the service of sin, he separates from God, and thus cuts himself off from life. He is "alienated from the life of God." Christ says, "All they that hate Me love death." Eph. 4:18; Prov. 8:36. God gives them existence for a time that they may develop their character and reveal their principles. This accomplished, they receive the results of their own choice. By a life of rebellion, Satan and all who unite with him place themselves so out of harmony with God that His very presence is to them a consuming fire. The glory of Him who is love will destroy them. {DA 764.1}

GC 614
A single angel destroyed all the first-born of the Egyptians and filled the land with mourning. When David offended against God by numbering the people, one angel caused that terrible destruction by which his sin was punished. The same destructive power exercised by holy angels when God commands, will be exercised by evil angels when He permits. There are forces now ready, and only waiting the divine permission, to spread desolation everywhere. {GC 614.2}

EW 294, 295
Satan rushes into the midst of his followers and tries to stir up the multitude to action. But fire from God out of heaven is rained upon them, and the great men, and mighty men, the noble, the poor and miserable, are all consumed together. I saw that some were quickly destroyed, while others suffered longer. They were punished according to the deeds done in the body. Some were many days consuming, and just as long as there was a portion of them unconsumed, all the sense of suffering remained. Said the angel, "The worm of life shall not die; their fire shall not be quenched as long as there is the least particle for it to prey upon." {EW 294.1}

Satan and his angels suffered long. Satan bore not only the weight and punishment of his own sins, but also of the sins of the redeemed host, which had been placed upon him; and he must also suffer for the ruin of souls which he had caused. Then I saw that Satan and all the wicked host were consumed, and the justice of God was satisfied; and all the angelic host, and all the redeemed saints, with a loud voice said, "Amen!" {EW 294.2}

In the end the results are the same. Unrepentant sin will lead, in some way some how to our eternal death. Arguing beyond that is a waste of time. Maybe we need to spend more time living and witnessing for Christ and less time arguing mute points of theology.

Redfog