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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/17/06 08:02 PM
03/17/06 08:02 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by John Boskovic:
quote: MM said: I have never met such a person in my entire life. I have never met anyone who believes Jesus saves us from God. Please quote one person who believes such a thing. Thank you.
The one who holds the concept that Jesus died to appease God’s wrath and to enable God to forgive is just such a person.
John, who believes this distorted idea? I have never met anyone who believes such a thing. I have met lots of people who believe that the death of Jesus releases us from having to obey the law. And, I have met people who believe Jesus saved everyone with eternal life in heaven. But I have never met anyone who believes what you posted. Have you? If so, can you quote them?
Just read John's post. It's all explained there.
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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/18/06 02:28 PM
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Tom, are you implying that John believes Colin is guilty of believing such a thing?
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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/18/06 09:17 PM
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MM, your questions plainly indicate that you have not read my post. My first line in the last post answered your last question. The rest of the post answer your other questions.
Would you please read it and deal with the content of my post.
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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/18/06 11:56 PM
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Actually, John, I did read your post, but I was wondering what Tom was thinking when he told me that you had already provided me with quotes from people who believe Jesus saves us from the Father. He must not have been addressing that part of my request of you. Who knows?
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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/19/06 02:25 AM
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quote:
Tom, are you implying that John believes Colin is guilty of believing such a thing?
This is pretty funny. Person A asks B if he thinks C believes D is guilty of believing something.
I have no opinion on this. If you want to know what John thinks, ask him.
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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/19/06 02:27 AM
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quote:
Actually, John, I did read your post, but I was wondering what Tom was thinking when he told me that you had already provided me with quotes from people who believe Jesus saves us from the Father. He must not have been addressing that part of my request of you. Who knows?
I'm saying that the answers to your questions are in John's post. If you read the post, slowly, you should be able to discern this.
Don't look for quotes, however. Look for principles. The answer to your questions are provided in the principles John explains in his post.
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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/19/06 04:01 PM
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JB – The one who holds the concept that Jesus died to appease God’s wrath and to enable God to forgive is just such a person.
MM - John, who believes this distorted idea? … I have never met anyone who believes what you posted. Have you? If so, can you quote them?
TE - Just read John's post. It's all explained there.
MM – Tom, are you implying that John believes Colin is guilty of believing such a thing?
TE - I have no opinion on this. If you want to know what John thinks, ask him.
MM – I did. But I’m still waiting for an answer from him.
TE - I'm saying that the answers to your questions are in John's post. If you read the post, slowly, you should be able to discern this. Don't look for quotes, however. Look for principles. The answer to your questions are provided in the principles John explains in his post.
MM – Thank you for your counsel and advice, Tom, but that’s not the answers I’m looking for. Perhaps it would be best if we allowed John to speak for himself, to answer the questions I addressed to him.
MM - John, who believes this distorted idea? … I have never met anyone who believes what you posted. Have you? If so, can you quote them?
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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/19/06 06:06 PM
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MM - John, who believes this distorted idea? … I have never met anyone who believes what you posted. Have you? If so, can you quote them?
Sure, John can speak for himself. But he already has, and he answered the same way I did.
The answer is to read his post, carefully. Look for principles. The answer to your quesitons is in his post.
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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/19/06 07:11 PM
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MM, this is very much like salvation.
Just like asking: "Who will be saved?"
You don't get names, labels or quotes, but the answer is in the qualifying conditions or principles.
Everyone can read and find where they stand, and question accordingly.
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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/22/06 02:46 AM
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Tom and John, it's one thing to say, "Anyone who believes this is guilty of that", but it's quite another thing to quote someone who actually believes it. If you cannot produce proof I am left with no other option but to conclude such an idea is merely hypothetical.
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