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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/28/06 11:13 PM
03/28/06 11:13 PM
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MM: John, I couldn't help but noticing that you didn't bold "should not perish"
Yes, I was stressing what God was doing. You see, the perishing part is not of God, it is what God is saving us from; He does not want it to happen, much less that he is causing it. If God were the cause of perishing, then Christ’s death saved us from God, or from God’s righteousness; or otherwise God changed.
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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/29/06 03:48 AM
03/29/06 03:48 AM
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Tom, the last 4 chapters of the GC says clearly, to me, that Jesus will punish and destroy unsaved sinners. We disagree regarding how it will happen. I totally agree with the quotes you have posted. But I disagree that they represent everything there is to know about God's wrath. Nor do I think her views contradict what I believe she wrote about the wrath of God in the GC chapters I mentioned.
John, I disagree that God has nothing to do with punishing and destroying the unsaved. That is exactly what will happen if we refuse to be saved in His appointed way.
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Re: Are we saved by a demonstration of God's pent up wrath?
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03/29/06 06:41 PM
03/29/06 06:41 PM
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The destruction of Jerusalem is a fearful and solemn warning to all who are trifling with the offers of divine grace and resisting the pleadings of divine mercy. Never was there given a more decisive testimony to God's hatred of sin and to the certain punishment that will fall upon the guilty. (GC 36)
Yes, God will punish and destroy. This statement points out that the destruction of Jerusalem (which she compares to the destruction of the plagues) gives the most decisive testimony of God's hatred of sin, and of the certain punishment that comes upon the wicked. What is the mechanism for this most decisive testimony?
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The Jews had forged their own fetters; they had filled for themselves the cup of vengeance. In the utter destruction that befell them as a nation, and in all the woes that followed them in their dispersion, they were but reaping the harvest which their own hands had sown. Says the prophet: "O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself;" "for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity." Hosea 13:9; 14:1. Their sufferings are often represented as a punishment visited upon them by the direct decree of God. It is thus that the great deceiver seeks to conceal his own work. By stubborn rejection of divine love and mercy, the Jews had caused the protection of God to be withdrawn from them, and Satan was permitted to rule them according to his will. The horrible cruelties enacted in the destruction of Jerusalem are a demonstration of Satan's vindictive power over those who yield to his control.
We cannot know how much we owe to Christ for the peace and protection which we enjoy. It is the restraining power of God that prevents mankind from passing fully under the control of Satan. The disobedient and unthankful have great reason for gratitude for God's mercy and long-suffering in holding in check the cruel, malignant power of the evil one. But when men pass the limits of divine forbearance, that restraint is removed. God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but He leaves the rejectors of His mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown. (GC 35, 36)
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