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Re: Can we reach the condition of sinlessness?
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08/08/03 11:58 AM
08/08/03 11:58 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong as I understand that reaching the state of sinlessness means that we will reach the place where we will no longer sin, period. This includes sins of ignorance, etc.
This is why I am asking when will we actually reach this state of sinlessness, sometime prior to the Second Coming, or at the Second Coming?
The quotes, references, etc. provided still hasn't answered this question.
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Re: Can we reach the condition of sinlessness?
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08/09/03 02:37 AM
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Satan's Rebellion
Signs Of The Times
July 23, 1902
Every one who by faith obeys God's commandments, will reach the condition of sinlessness in which Adam lived before his transgression.
Daryl if a person belives in the Scriptures and the Spirit of Prophecy ONE HUNDRED PERCENT then we MUST believe what the above quote says. It says that when by faith you obey God's commandments you will reach the condition of sinlessness that Adam had before he fell. Why would we not? We will not go to Heaven with one spot of sin on us. Yes, our Lord and Saviour died for our sins..but HE did not come and die for us to be saved in our sins..He has given us the power to overcome ALL sin. And you know....the only reason we do not is because we are liking what we are doing and do not want to give it up, so we make excuses for this and that. I am sure we have heard those kind of excuses. Well we are only human, etc.
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Re: Can we reach the condition of sinlessness?
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08/08/03 07:10 PM
08/08/03 07:10 PM
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I am not doubting that we will, the question is when will we reach the state of complete sinlessness? Will it be prior to the Second Coming, or at the Second Coming when we will either be translated or resurrected?
Let me also ask it this way: Has any of us yet reached the place where we are now in this state of sinlessness? If not yet, then when? Will we know it?
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Re: Can we reach the condition of sinlessness?
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08/08/03 07:42 PM
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It will for sure be before Jesus comes. It will be before probation closes.
As for anyone stating the fact that they have reached the state of sinlessness I do not believe a person who is following God in all that has been revealed to him, has confessed and repented of all known sins will be going around stating that fact. Matter of fact I do not believe that person will spend time thinking about it. They will be living each day as a follower of Jesus. And if and when they fall they will go to Jesus and ask for His forgiveness and go on from there. Their only desire in this world will be to live only for Jesus and reflect His character in all they do and say.
Only problem is self gets in the way, and we listen to Satan telling us that it is not possible to live a life without sin. Now that is where we are wrong. We should be listening to what Jesus has revealed to us in His Word and the Spirit of Prophecy. That is just what Satan wants is us to show to the world that it is not possible to completely obey God in everything. Toal and complete surrender to God every moment of the day is what we need to do.
Deu 11:27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
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Re: Can we reach the condition of sinlessness?
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08/09/03 12:50 AM
08/09/03 12:50 AM
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The Signs of the Times---- 01-16-96
Sin Condemned in the Flesh
John pointed to Christ, saying, "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world!" The Son of the infinite God does not remove from man his obligation to keep all of God's commandments. But with Christ formed
within, the apostle declares, "Ye are complete in him, which is the Head of all principality and power." All our transgressions are transferred to Christ. While he who knew no sin was made sin for us, and the sinless is accounted sinful, the righteousness of Christ is placed upon the undeserving, so that the repenting sinner is declared to be sinless before God. But if a man blinds himself to the light, and hardens his conscience, and will not acknowledge himself as a sinner lost and undone, and in need of a Savior, his sin will remain. He does not believe in the only-begotten Son of the infinite God. Like Cain he refuses to offer to God the blood of the Son of God. He
refuses to acknowledge that "God so loved the world, that he gave his only- begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
The Signs of the Times---- 03-23-88---Abide in Me
We need to be refined, cleansed from all earthliness, till we reflect the image of our Saviour, and become "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." Then we shall delight to do the will of God, and Christ can own us before the Father and before the holy angels as those who abide in him, and he will not be ashamed to call us brethren. But we shall not boast of our holiness. As we have clearer views of Christ's spotless and infinite purity, we shall feel as did Daniel, when he beheld the glory of the Lord, and said, "My comeliness was
turned in me into corruption." We cannot say, "I am sinless," till this vile body is changed and fashioned like unto His glorious body. But if we constantly seek to follow Jesus, the blessed hope is ours of standing before the throne of God without spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; complete in Christ, robed in his righteousness and perfection.
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Re: Can we reach the condition of sinlessness?
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08/09/03 12:25 PM
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White Raiment Required
Maranatha
Page 78
When the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: and he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? Matt. 22:11, 12.
By the wedding garment in the parable is represented the pure, spotless character which Christ's true followers will possess. To the church it is given "that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white," "not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing." Rev. 19:8; Eph. 5:27. The fine linen, says the Scripture, "is the righteousness of saints." Rev. 19:8. It is the righteousness of Christ, His own unblemished character, that through faith is imparted to all who receive Him as their personal Saviour.
The white robe of innocence was worn by our first parents when they were placed by God in holy Eden. . . . But when sin entered, they severed their connection with God, and the light that had encircled them departed. . . . Nothing can man devise to supply the place of his lost robe of innocence. . . . Only the covering which Christ Himself has provided can make us meet to appear in God's presence. This covering, the robe of His own righteousness, Christ will put upon every repenting, believing soul. . . . This robe, woven in the loom of heaven, has in it not one thread of human devising. Christ in His humanity wrought out a perfect character, and this character He offers to impart to us. "All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags." Isa. 64:6. Everything that we of ourselves can do is defiled by sin. But the Son of God "was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin." 1 John 3:5. . . .
By His perfect obedience He has made it possible for every human being to obey God's commandments. When we submit ourselves to Christ, the heart is united with His heart, the will is merged in His will, the mind becomes one with His mind, the thoughts are brought into captivity to Him; we live His life. This is what it means to be clothed with the garment of His righteousness. Then as the Lord looks upon us He sees, not the fig-leaf garment, not the nakedness and deformity of sin, but His own robe of righteousness, which is perfect obedience to the law of Jehovah.
What a blessing we have been given from the Scriptures and the Spirit of Prophecy. God has left us with no excuse to not know what is required of us to have eternal life. We must surrender ourselves to God completely.
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Re: Can we reach the condition of sinlessness?
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08/09/03 12:35 PM
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The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin. A man may be a law-breaker in heart; yet if he commits no outward act of transgression, he may be regarded by the world as possessing great integrity. But God's law looks into the secrets of the heart. Every act is judged by the motives that prompt it. Only that which is in accord with the principles of God's law will stand in the judgment. {COL 316.2}
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Christ loves His church. He will give all needed help to those who call upon Him for strength for the development of Christlike character. But His love is not weakness. He will not serve with their sins, nor give them prosperity while they continue to follow a wrong course of action. Only through faithful repentance will their sins be forgiven; for God will not cover evil with the robe of His righteousness. He will honor faithful service. He will abundantly bless those who reveal to their fellow-men His justice, mercy, and love. Let those who are engaged in His service walk before Him in true humility, following faithfully in His footsteps, cherishing the holy principles which will live through the eternal ages. Let them in word and action show that they obey the laws which are obeyed in heaven. {ST, November 13, 1901 par. 7}
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Re: Can we reach the condition of sinlessness?
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08/13/03 02:21 AM
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Daryl, concerning the timing of reaching the condition of sinlessness please refer to my last post. I believe we begin at rebirth in the same condition of sinlessness Adam and Eve and Jesus began at birth. Check out this quote:
1 Peter
2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord [is] gracious.
If we have experienced God's grace and if we have been truly born again then we are in the same state of sinlessness in which Adam and Eve were in Eden. More importantly we are in the same state of sinlessness in which Jesus was as a babe in Bethlehem. We are born again sinless.
1 Peter
4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of [his] time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
Romans
6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
John
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Romans
8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
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