Avalee.

We both agree that a man might enter heaven only when he is spotless and sinless, because sin and sinner can not live in heaven and see God. I had presented all the time that God is going to abolish sin and sinners forever from his universe.

We also agree that no man might live perfectly sinless ever since the day he was reborn in Christ, either for those who were under the law and those who were not.

What differs between us, is, the way we become righteous and perfect that allows us to enter heaven and see God.

You believe that through faith in Christ and a walk after the Spirit that is expressed in works of obedience to the Ten Commandments, you might come to the level of righteousness that is sinless and perfect, to allow you to enter heaven. This, according to me, is a mixing of our effort to be righteous through our faith in Christ.

I believe that through faith in Christ and a walk after the Spirit, I would be made righteous and perfect. This, according to me is pure faith. I just choose to believe this and walked in the path of the Spirit.

You are under the law with the obligation to keep and obey the Ten Commandments that would stand as God’s standard of judgment and righteousness, and I don’t, I am under grace and love is God’s law of judgment and righteousness.

The Gospel told me, that if I desire to come under the law, I will come under the law’s jurisdiction and judgment, where there are only two choices for me: to be justified by the law or to be condemned.

If I am justified by the law, I fell away from grace and Christ means nothing to me, he died in vain.

If I am condemned by the law, no one can help me for I stand alone in the judgment; fell away from grace and Christ means nothing to me.

Therefore, based on this view, which I believe is the teaching of the Gospel I had studied, I would not come under the law’s jurisdiction and its obligation to keep and obey the Ten Commandments. This is in harmony with what Paul said in Galatians 3:21-25, and Paul too was not under the law.

Until you or anybody else can convince me with bible support only, that we must come under the Ten Commandments’ jurisdiction and obliged to keep and obey the law, I will maintain my view that what people of nowadays believe and taught by the church has no basic.

In His love

James S.

Daryl said:

Faith plus the resulting works of obedience = Living Faith.

Faith minus the resulting works of obedience = Dead Faith.

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I disagree, for the Gospel told me that: Faith + fruits of the Spirit = living faith
Faith minus fruits of the Spirit is dead faith.

Works of obedience to the law is not fruits of the Spirit but deeds of the flesh, for it is your own desire to come under the law, to keep and obey the law, it is not the Spirit desire.

In His love

James S.

If after reading this little booklet on the Law of God by Joe Crews does not help those who continue to belive a lie than I really do not believe there is much more to say. Time is to short to be playing these games. Just which one of the Ten Commandments do you not like?

Does God's Grace Blot Out The Law?


2 Th 2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

1 John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:


Here is another little book by the same author. Praise God He has those faithful followers who teach the truth to those in darkness. Amen
Why The Old Covenant Failed

James,

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James 2:18
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

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Looks like this goes against your false doctrine James. You do violence against the Word of God

God Bless,
Will

James,

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James 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

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Can you elaborate on the above verses from James 2:10-12. What is being said here?

God Bless,
Will

Will, to add further to what we´ve said so far I´d like to point out that the growth we experience after we are born again was demonstrated by Jesus as He grew in knowledge and matured in the fruit of the Spirit. It has nothing to do with sinning and repenting or discovering unknown moral imperfections.

Sinning and repenting can and does happen after we´re born again but it isn´t part of growing in grace. The purpose of grace is to enable us to live without sinning. Any and all known sins we commit after we´re born again is unnecessary. Why? Because God will not allow us to be tempted above His ability to empower us to recognize and resist it unto His honor and glory. 1 Cor 10;13.

Yes, 1 Corinthians 10:13 does say that:

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1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your strength, but with the temptation will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

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God allows us to be tempted, but not beyond our own strength to overcome it.

Hi Mike,
So far I understand what you are saying and agree. What do you mean by:

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. Any and all known sins we commit after we´re born again is unnecessary. Why? Because God will not allow us to be tempted above His ability to empower us to recognize and resist it unto His honor and glory. 1 Cor 10;13.

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The reason I ask is because there are times I have sinned.. many times and this is after I was baptized many years ago.
I do recognize that it was my lack of faith and thinking 'I can handle this' in which case I fall on my face.
Does that mean I have blashphemed the Holy Spirit. It hasn't happened on just one occassion either. I could go for a few months 'smooth sailing' and placing my trust in God even when I feel I am about to break down, and then all of a sudden I do something stupid by entertaining the thought and then BAM! I messed up.. It really gets to me, but I pray for strength and ask for forgiveness.
Any thoughts on this?
God Bless,
Will