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Re: Chronicles of Narnia #49843
12/23/05 02:56 PM
12/23/05 02:56 PM
Davros  Offline
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Other than the points I have already spoken to, I have not heard anything more about what makes the movie or the books bad. Does this mean that there is nothing else and it has just been categorized as bad because of our feelings instead of the facts?

And no one has any comments on Joe Crews?

Re: Chronicles of Narnia #49844
12/23/05 04:39 PM
12/23/05 04:39 PM
razorren  Offline
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What about Joe Crews?

--Ren

Re: Chronicles of Narnia #49845
12/23/05 06:11 PM
12/23/05 06:11 PM
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Was Joe Crews a prophet?

Re: Chronicles of Narnia #49846
12/23/05 10:51 PM
12/23/05 10:51 PM
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Nope, but then I don't think any of us are either. Although one does not need to be a prophet to be inspierd by God. This still aludes the real question though.

quote:
Jesus went around forgiving the wrongs of others. Let’s keep in mind that if He were God, He had the right to do this, but if we take the position He was just a good man, then He surely hadn’t the right to forgive anyone’s sins. Now, you can forgive a person who has wronged you. If he steps on your toes, you can forgive him for that. But Jesus went around forgiving people for stepping on other people’s toes. And He acted in every case as though He was the one who principally offended. Jesus Christ forgave sins. He said a person could not be saved except through Him. “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6. He made it abundantly clear that it was impossible to find salvation except through Him. Let’s make this point clear today. It is sheer nonsense to say we believe Jesus is the greatest man who ever lived, that He was a good man, that He was truthful and honest and yet that He was not God. One cannot be considered a good man who claims that He is God when He is not. Common sense demands that Jesus either was what He said He was or He was an imposter. As C.S. Lewis said, “He was either God or the very devil of hell. There can be no middle ground.”

"Christ is the Answer" by Joe Crews
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Media.asp?ID=1212



[ December 24, 2005, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: Dave Hoover ]

Re: Chronicles of Narnia #49847
12/24/05 12:21 PM
12/24/05 12:21 PM
Davros  Offline
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Another interesting quote,

quote:
"Well, what about C. S. Lewis?” You know, C. S. Lewis who wrote the Chronicles of Narnia. And they say, “Well, those are some very popular books.” Now, I did read most of the Chronicles of Narnia. We read them with our kids and I’m not endorsing them. I’m not telling you to. But here’s what the difference is (Bewtwwn C. S. Lewis and J. K. Rowling). C. S. Lewis was a Christian. He wrote them for the purpose, in his own words, he said, “I wanted to teach the themes of the Plan of Salvation and Christianity to the children without all the stained glass.” And as you read it you recognize Aslan is Jesus and there’s these battles and he used some of the old English Fairy Tale/Pilgrim’s Progress motif.

Doug Batchelor
“What is Truth” - 2148
http://adventist.tv/transcripts/HWA-2003-02-14.htm


Re: Chronicles of Narnia #49848
12/24/05 12:29 PM
12/24/05 12:29 PM
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quote:
In a coming program, as you and I get into our Bibles, I’d like to share with you one of the great turnaround stories of all time: where hardened atheist and scholar, C.S. Lewis found faith instead of surrendering it. (You don’t want to miss that great story; it’s one of my very favorites.)

But today, I want to talk about something that happened later in his life, after many years of a fulfilling Christian walk, C.S. Lewis made an amazing confession. Doubts really do come along. The pendulum swings. Some days it’s easy to believe in the existence of God; but other times you think to yourself, “Where in the world is He?”

Here is what’s really interesting. Listen: the pendulum of inner questioning, doesn’t just swing for Christians. It swings for atheists, too! Let me share C.S. Lewis’ direct admission, and remember that he lived on both sides of this river. He was both an atheist AND a Christian.

Shawn Boonstra
IT IS WRITTEN Television Series
The Barren Victory
(Even These Believed #1)
Production No. 1041
http://www.iiw.org/tvprogram/scripts/program-1041-script-1.html


Re: Chronicles of Narnia #49849
12/24/05 12:32 PM
12/24/05 12:32 PM
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quote:
That’s when somebody took pity on me and loaned me the Chronicles of Narnia, by C.S. Lewis—all seven books. And I read them, cover to cover, several times.

In one of those books, The Magician’s Nephew, some children stumble across the ruins of a magnificent castle in the woods, and in the midst of the rubble they find a golden bell with a little hammer.

Now, if you were a child, and you found a bell in the woods, what would you do? I know what I’d do, I would ring it. Except that underneath this bell is an inscription:

Make your choice, adventurous stranger:
Strike the bell and bide the danger,
Or wonder, till it drives you mad,
What would have followed if you had.

One of the children in the story just can’t help himself. He has to know what happens when you ring the bell. And so, in spite of the warning, he grabs the hammer and hits it, just once. And the bell rings—just like you would expect. But the ringing never stops.

It swells in volume until it starts shaking the trees of the forest and the walls of the ancient castle. Everything begins to collapse, and they barely escape with their lives. In the end, they discovered that it was a big price to pay for a little bit of fun.

That is the story of sin. The bill is always bigger than you thought it was going to be.

Shawn Boonstra
IT IS WRITTEN Television Series
BUY NOW, PAY LATER
Production No. 1017
http://www.iiw.org/tvprogram/scripts/program-1017-script-1.html


Re: Chronicles of Narnia #49850
12/24/05 12:37 PM
12/24/05 12:37 PM
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quote:
The great defender of Christianity in the twentieth century, C. S. Lewis, describes an imaginary conversation with a skeptic friend of his over the miraculous virgin birth of Christ:

“‘Miracles,’ said my friend. ‘Oh, come. Science has knocked the bottom out of all that. We know that Nature is governed by fixed laws.’

“‘Didn’t people always know that?’ said I.

“‘[Why], no,’ said he. ‘For instance, take a story like the Virgin Birth. We know now that such a thing couldn’t happen. We know there must be a male spermatozoon. . . . Modern science has shown there’s no such thing [as a virgin birth].’

“‘Really,’ said I. ‘Which of the sciences?’

“‘Oh, well, that’s a matter of detail,’ said my friend. ‘I can’t give you chapter and verse from memory.’

“‘But, don’t you see,’ said I, ‘that science never could show anything of the sort?’

“‘Why on earth not?’

“‘Because science studies Nature. And the question is whether anything besides Nature exists—anything “outside.” How could you find that out by studying simply Nature?’”4

DWIGHT K. NELSON
The Mirical and the Mystery
http://www.adventistreview.org/2000-1554/story1.html


Re: Chronicles of Narnia #49851
12/24/05 12:57 PM
12/24/05 12:57 PM
Davros  Offline
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It would seem that those opposed to C. S. Lewis within the Adventist church (even among conservatives) are very much in the minority. I suspect that the difference is those who have read his work and those that have not.

Sound plausible?

Re: Chronicles of Narnia #49852
12/25/05 02:36 AM
12/25/05 02:36 AM
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Dora  Offline
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According to Jesus' own words in Matthew 7:13,14, do we really want to be in the majority?

Not that I am comparing reading/seeing the movie we have been discussing to having or not having eternal life...(thought I maybe should say that so as not to be misunderstood) Nor do I think the minority is good just because it "is the minority."

But, I am just asking, "Do we really want to be in the majority today?" Something to think about.

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