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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/26/05 09:58 PM
12/26/05 09:58 PM
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Hi Thomas, I have never read Pilgrims Progress. What is it about and how does it compare to fiction? Her quotes of warning were concerning fiction and not works of allegory. --Ren quote:
Originally posted by västergötland:
Ren
May I refer you to the secound post in this thread. Ellen wrote that aswell. Do we have an irreconcilable contradiction from the writings of Ellen here?`
/Thomas
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
#49864
12/26/05 10:16 PM
12/26/05 10:16 PM
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Ren,
May I recomend you read it yourself. It is a great book, one of the best besides the bible IMO. And you have Ellens blessing to do so.
/Thomas
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/26/05 10:51 PM
12/26/05 10:51 PM
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Perhaps there is a distinction between “fiction which contains no suggestion of impurity, and which may be intended to teach excellent principles," and fiction that teaches the story of the Bible or is intended to teach Christian values and not just excellent principles (Things like honesty, right vs. wrong, and gratitude). What Lewis has is an allegory (if he intended it to be so or not). If the problem is not Lewis himself, as someone has clamed, that would clear us to read any non fiction book he has written to defend Christianity, but the feeling I get form many posters is that because he wrote fiction, all of his work is "trash." If it is okay for Jesus to use a fictitious story to illustrate a point and if Pilgrim's Progress is to be accepted as Ellen White says, how can Narnia be any different? As Doug Bachelor said in the quote I provided, some of the same elements exist in Pilgrim's Progress and Narnia. Was Jesus wrong? Was Ellen White wrong? Was John Bunyan wrong? Was C. S. Lewis wrong? If Lewis was wrong, at least he was in good company. ![[Animated Laughter]](graemlins/laugh.gif)
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/26/05 11:51 PM
12/26/05 11:51 PM
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Ren, allegories are by dictionary definition fiction. The parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is allegorical but still fiction. We need to understand that any story that is made up is fiction, weather it is allegory or parable it is still made up and therefore fiction. And lets face it folks just because something is true does not make it fine to read. Many true stories are much worse for the mind than is 99.9% of fiction.
Allegory: the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence;
Fiction: a : something invented by the imagination or feigned; specifically : an invented story b : literature (as novels or short stories)
Parable: a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle
Redfog
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/27/05 01:27 AM
12/27/05 01:27 AM
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Hey everyone,
New to the forum thing here. Just had to add this to the discussion. Certainly truth can be communicated through fiction. The problem in my view is the source. I'm not here to question CS Lewis. But I do question the producers of the movie. To make it attractive, they sometimes will add things not in the book. And sometimes error creeps in. (I havent read Lewis nor have I seen the movie)
That's why the fiction in the Bible is trustworthy. Just look at the source!
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/27/05 01:54 AM
12/27/05 01:54 AM
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Van, good and valid point. BTW the next person who registers is #666, hmmmm ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif)
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/27/05 04:47 PM
12/27/05 04:47 PM
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While this is indeed easier for those of you living at or near one of our colleges, especially if it has a White vault, but I'd again appeal to you to look up the studies they have of Ellen White and fiction.
Reading her words without the background would make it easy for us to exclude things that she had no problem with and worst yet to blindly end up accpeting what she was actually warning against. The consern over Lewis' work in this thread shows the need for this information to be known. Sadly it is not well published, but it is sitting in the files.
Mrs. White's inspiration gave her the wisdom to emphesise the warnings of people such as Nathanel Horthone (spelling?) and other novelists of her day against a new type of writing that was becoming popular. Mrs. White wrote in the style of these novelests and shared their consern over the new writings that were becoming popular but degrading the mind. This style was in both a secular form and in a religious form in "Sunday School Papers." Some of these continued on into radio and eventually TV as soap operas.
I am not as much worried of these people excluding things that do not fit Mrs. White's warning, as their lack of the historical background makes them prone to end up accepting writings that she did indeed have on her mind.
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/27/05 06:56 PM
12/27/05 06:56 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by razorren:
“The readers of fiction are indulging an evil that destroys spirituality, eclipsing the beauty of the sacred page. It creates an unhealthy excitement, fevers the imagination, unfits the mind for usefulness, weans the soul from prayer, and disqualifies it for any spiritual exercise.” {MYP 272.2}
This statement is clear. It has nothing to do with an Adventist “schema” that you seem fond of saying…it is the straight truth. I would think that the words of a Prophet have more weight than the words of Mr. Boostra, Batchelor or Mr. Nelson (who has been quoting from Rick Warren’s The Purpose Driven life on the pulpit).....
It baffles my mind to think the Adventists who say that Christ is soon to come are encouraging people to read fiction! Is this the best that we can do? Why not encourage others to read / study their Bible, and Steps to Christ, and The Great Cont, and Adventist Home, and Councils on Diet, etc, etc. What about books from Uriah Smith and our other pioneers? Is this what those who were called to preach the end-time message are busy doing?
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions".
“Even fiction which contains no suggestion of impurity, and which may be intended to teach excellent principles, is harmful. It encourages the habit of hasty and superficial reading, merely for the story. Thus it tends to destroy the power of connected and vigorous thought; it unfits the soul to contemplate the great problems of duty and destiny.” {CT 383.2}
Granted I agree that we need to be encouraaging the young people to read the Bible and I have is Would you then condemn historical fiction?
I agree with Mrs Whites statements and nowadays my bookshelves are less full of fiction and more full of 'uplifting' books.
However we need to 'test' each of these things after all we have been told that 'by there fruits ye shall know them.' what fruit has Lewis' books brought forth? If Jesus was to come tomorrow would you want him to find you reading such material? These are personal questions which each has to answer. For myself the answer to the first has been answered by two things the testimonials I have read and heard from here and other places, andx also from hearing even the media (one of the most anti-christian propagandist things ever invented) talking about the christian themes. The second was answered for me by the texts that came to mind all the while I was first watching the movie and then reading the book. I urge each of you to apply a similar test to our reading material.
By the way I am in favour of Lewis's books.
May the Lord guide us in our reading and also in our spiritual life!
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/27/05 10:40 PM
12/27/05 10:40 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by DebbieB:
May the Lord guide us in our reading and also in our spiritual life!
To that I say AMEN!
--Ren
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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01/24/06 03:58 AM
01/24/06 03:58 AM
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Fiction? when a story is based on real life, is it still fiction? CoNarnia is truly bassed on real life, so is it fiction???
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