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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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01/26/06 09:52 PM
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I have read only the last page of this, so I apologise if this has already been said. Lewis wrote the Tales of Narnia as science fiction. He said later that they seemed to have a life of their own in becoming allegorical. Might this not merely have been that his imagination was using the things with which he was familiar? If the author himself - and I believe I read this in a reliable public source, but would have to seek the quote again - says he wrote a science fiction book, hasn't he made the matter clear? You may find allegories in many things, but they're not necessarily inspired. Stay away from that which leads in the wrong direction.
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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01/28/06 03:54 AM
01/28/06 03:54 AM
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Perhaps, but Lewis also said that he could not help writing a Christian story because he was, before anything else, a Christian. He also said that he had "a desier to teach childern about Chrits without all the stained glass."
You could make an agument for either side of this topic on that ground.
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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01/28/06 03:58 AM
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Originally posted by Dave Hoover:
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That’s when somebody took pity on me and loaned me the Chronicles of Narnia, by C.S. Lewis—all seven books. And I read them, cover to cover, several times.
In one of those books, The Magician’s Nephew, some children stumble across the ruins of a magnificent castle in the woods, and in the midst of the rubble they find a golden bell with a little hammer.
Now, if you were a child, and you found a bell in the woods, what would you do? I know what I’d do, I would ring it. Except that underneath this bell is an inscription:
Make your choice, adventurous stranger:
Strike the bell and bide the danger,
Or wonder, till it drives you mad,
What would have followed if you had.
One of the children in the story just can’t help himself. He has to know what happens when you ring the bell. And so, in spite of the warning, he grabs the hammer and hits it, just once. And the bell rings—just like you would expect. But the ringing never stops.
It swells in volume until it starts shaking the trees of the forest and the walls of the ancient castle. Everything begins to collapse, and they barely escape with their lives. In the end, they discovered that it was a big price to pay for a little bit of fun.
That is the story of sin. The bill is always bigger than you thought it was going to be.
Shawn Boonstra
IT IS WRITTEN Television Series
BUY NOW, PAY LATER
Production No. 1017
http://www.iiw.org/tvprogram/scripts/program-1017-script-1.html
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"Well, what about C. S. Lewis?” You know, C. S. Lewis who wrote the Chronicles of Narnia. And they say, “Well, those are some very popular books.” Now, I did read most of the Chronicles of Narnia. We read them with our kids and I’m not endorsing them. I’m not telling you to. But here’s what the difference is (Bewtwwn C. S. Lewis and J. K. Rowling). C. S. Lewis was a Christian. He wrote them for the purpose, in his own words, he said, “I wanted to teach the themes of the Plan of Salvation and Christianity to the children without all the stained glass.” And as you read it you recognize Aslan is Jesus and there’s these battles and he used some of the old English Fairy Tale/Pilgrim’s Progress motif.
Doug Batchelor
“What is Truth” - 2148
http://adventist.tv/transcripts/HWA-2003-02-14.htm
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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01/28/06 01:53 AM
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I've never read the Ch. of Narnia. But I have read other books by Lewis.
At times it has seemed to me that they're just a waste of time and "garbage." My kids, however, love them, and are really into them. They have the right to their opinion; mine was worthless since it was based on prejudice since I never checked them out.
People read the Bible in public universities as literature and get nothing out of it. My son, who's 13, says he has learned more about redemption, salvation, faith, baptism and the story of the world (Great Controversy) by reading them. they haven't seen the new movie, but they do have the BBC videos on them. He says the actors show the spirit that is revealed in the books.
Some SDAs love to trash Christmas. We got it three Sabbaths in a row at church during Sabbath School. What is the purpose of that?! Yes, we know it's pagan, but EGW supports using Christmas trees, in church! So, how are you going to be an SDA and trash Christmas? Wel, it happens. The wise thing would be to use the Christmas season as an opportunity for evangelism. We shouldn't preach against the materialism of it all and its pagan roots and sun worship. Preach the word! Talkk about the meaning of it.
So, people are into Narnia. Let's educate ourselves about it so we in turn can point them to the truths revealed in it. The gospel needs to be contextualized. Here's a great opportunity to talk about those truths instead of just saying, perhaps to someone looking for the truth, "Oh, I don't like to talk about those things Satan is using."
R
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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01/29/06 07:45 AM
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There was nothing wrong with eating food offered to idols. Paul made that clear. But he would not make his brother stumble. You might well read with a mindset to find the allegory, but children just plain enjoy a ripping good yarn and don't have the maturity to understand the difference.
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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01/29/06 11:21 PM
01/29/06 11:21 PM
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zyph, you are highly underestimating the conceptual abilities of Children!
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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02/01/06 03:37 AM
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I was able to understand it as a child, but then my mother took the time to explain it to me. Perhaps children do not understand today because parents do not take the time to explain.
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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02/02/06 03:06 AM
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I've actually studied the developmental capacities of children as they mature, so I do have some knowledge based in fact. Mrs White warned against fiction. This was a science fiction book. End of story.
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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02/01/06 04:00 PM
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We still have the question, "Why should we even be explaining it to the children?" If we have time and opportunity to explain anything to the children above the roar of the TVs in so many homes, why not explain the Bible stories?
Thank you, Zyph, for your well spoken observations.
In His Love,
Dora
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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02/04/06 03:03 AM
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We shouldn't have to - if our children know the Bible. I too have some experience in psychology, and I know that an allegory is not a hard thing for an adolescent to understand. If we took the time to educate our children in the Bible, we would have no need to explain allegories to them. Would a normal child understand "Pilgrim's Progress?" See we can wish it to be the end of the story, but it goes a lot deeper than we would wish. Why did Ellen White recommend a work of fiction if all fiction is bad? Why did Jesus tell fictitious stories if all fiction is bad?
The truth is this – if our children were more educated in the Bible, they would understand the Christian implementation of the stories. For those children that do understand it, I must congratulate the parents on the fine job they have done and praise God that they understand the Christian struggle so well.
As I said some three or four pages ago, if you read the book, "C. S. Lewis: Letters to Children," you would find that many children understood the Christian element of Narnai in the 1950's and 60's. If it is not that way today, it is because we are now living in a pagan society, and parents are not doing enough to train their children in Christianity.
Ellen White warned against fiction then recommended "Pilgrim's Progress" (a clear work of fiction that uses many of the same elements as Narnia) Jesus told fictitious stories. What do we really have a problem with here? The recommendation of allegories by Ellen White? The use of an allegory like Jesus used? Are we to fault a work because it uses the same teaching method that Jesus used? Are we to fault a work for using a teaching method as “Pilgrim’s Progress” used (A book recommended by Ellen G. White)?
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