James, what do you believe about the first and second deaths? Are there any differences from your point of view? As I see it, we die the first death on account of Adam's sin. But the first death is not the wages of sin. And we die the second death on account of our own sins, because we refused or neglected salvation. The second death is the wages of sin. Either way, God is neither unjust nor unfair.

Mike.

For us, we die the 1st death on account of Adam’s sin; that is true, I agree.
We die the 2nd death on account of our sin; that is true, I agree.

The wages of sin is the 2nd death; that is true, I agree.

God is unfair and unjust if Christ didn’t come to redeem us, because dying the 1st death is not our fault, and even the law was given to give life for those who keep it perfectly and fulfil it demands but due to our sinful nature, we could not keep it to earn life. Therefore, we still die. But again, it is not our fault, because we were born in sin and inherit Adam’s sinful nature that make it impossible for us to keep the good, just and holy law of God.

But with the redemption of Jesus Christ, God had shown that he is the God of love, just and fair.
Because Christ death gave our life back, and His Spirit given to those who live with faith in him would make him FIT for heaven.

In His love

James S.

Amen! The fact we inherit a sinful nature means we cannot stop ourselves from sinning - until we are born again. And, you're right, it's not our fault that we were born with a sinful nature. But it is our fault if we refuse to be born again. People will be lost, not because they have sinned, but because they rejected salvation in Jesus. God is not unfair or unjust because, rather than abandoning us to our hopeless plight, He sent Jesus to make it possible for us to escape the corruption that is in the world through lust.

DA 590
Our condemnation in the judgment will not result from the fact that we have been in error, but from the fact that we have neglected heaven-sent opportunities for learning what is truth. {DA 489.5}

Mike.

I see that we have the same thoughts.

BTW, you say: People will be lost, not because they have sinned, but because they rejected salvation in Jesus.

I agree with this.
People die the 2nd death as the wage of their sins, but people is lost because they reject to put their faith in Christ; they reject to believe him; they reject to hear and accept the truth of the Gospel of Christ sent by heaven’s messengers.

This means, at the judgment, we are justified unto life eternal because of our faith in Christ that have changed us completely in the image and likeness of God, our fitness for heaven. We are condemned because of our rejection to believe Christ and to put our faith in him, which make us UNFIT for heaven because we are not changed to the image and likeness of God.

Where is the place of Ten Commandments in the judgment?

Death is the wages of sin; sin is transgression of the law. Being unchanged, a man remains by default in sin, all what he did are against the intend of the law, described in the Ten Commandments.

Thus, the law is not our focus but Christ, if we are changed and become like Him, we are FIT for heaven; if not, we are NOT FIT for heaven and God could not allow sin and sinners live forever, there must be an end to sin by executing the wages of sin unto sinners; the 2nd death in hell.

In His love

James S.

Moved this here.

Moved this here for more exposure.

As I merged these two threads together, there may be some duplicate posts.

Paul asks and answers this very question.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 7:7 I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.