Just like what He did with Gideon's army.

Do we argue about this or do we tell people?

Tell them what? Colin is saying we should be telling people the Gospel, that the Gospel is what the loud cry of the third angel's message is.

Colin is right. The Lord gave us the loud cry message we are to present through His servents Jones and Waggoner in 1888 and the years immediately following (1 SM 362). If we do not know what that message is, how can we possibly give it?

I didn't mean you guys specifically argueing..I mean...I have heard this so much from church members who sit there every week in their pews "discussing it" but never DOING it!
I bet God gets tired of that too!

Yes, I agree that things must be very frustrating for God. God's purpose is to reveal the truth about Himself to us, but we twist His truth and make Him according to our own image. Thankfully God is infiniate gracious and patient.

Here's a statement from the Spirit of Prophecy which is interesting:

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Those who think of the result of hastening or hindering the gospel think of it in relation to themselves and to the world. Few think of its relation to God. Few give thought to the suffering that sin has caused our Creator. All heaven suffered in Christ's agony; but that suffering did not begin or end with His manifestation in humanity. The cross is a revelation to our dull senses of the pain that, from its very inception, sin has brought to the heart of God. Every departure from the right, every deed of cruelty, every failure of humanity to reach His ideal, brings grief to Him. When there came upon Israel the calamities that were the sure result of separation from God,--subjugation by their enemies, cruelty, and death, --it is said that "His soul was grieved for the misery of Israel." "In all their affliction He was afflicted: . . . and He bare them, and carried them all the days of old." Judges 10:16; Isaiah 63:9. (Ed. 263)

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We are to proclaim it now! Time is too short to wait for the corporate church. The stones will cry out...the children will preach if we do not. We need to do it simply and without big theatrics and complicated planning....just TELL IT!! The people that will listen the most are the ones who are in NEED....the poor, the hurting, the sick....they need it to be understandable...simple. They need us to touch them...not just tell them. To help their need...whatever it is. We do NOT need to wait! We will receive power when we put our foot in the Red Sea and ACT!

Well, if we wait for the church to give the message that they have, or should I say had, then it well never be given out again.

I have seen the Daniel and Revelation Seminars from some 30 years and they had a lot of straight truth in them. In fact, it seemed that they were using old church materials. I have seen the D&R Seminars of today and I must say that I had to walk out of the last one I went to. There was so many things that where misleading and just plain false. That I could not allow my family to sit and listen to what was being taught. It went against what the early SDA church taught and even some 30 years before.

The message has changed. Yes the church needs to be taught what the Three Angels Message and what the 1888 message is. The material is there if anyone wants it. But, the problem is you have these modern teachers and pastors that have been trained in Catholic school giving a mixed message. You also have Catholic trained teachers training the SDA new preachers and again you have a watered down message. Add to this mix the NAD Conference sending Elder and pastors to workshops put on by Willow Creek Association, which is a non-denominational church and being taught another message other than the SDA message.

The message is there in the Bible (KJV) it is there in the OLD WRITTINGS from the founders of the church. We must find again what they had. For what they had is being buried and leaders in the church have told me that it is the old message we have a new direction today.

The early SDA was from about 1848 to about 1852 the sixth church of Revelation and that church is the only one going to Heaven. The SDA church today proudly claims to be the seventh church of Revelation, (by the way any church in this position is to be vomited out) is this where we should be as Children of God?

We need to find out what they had that made them a part of the sixth church and get back to it.

Are we too wait on the GC or the Local conferences to take that step? Is this what God and His Son have commissioned the BELIEVERS to do? No, spread the message to every kindred, nation and tongue.
Please read the three Angels massage again, in fact read the entire chapter and tell me where it is that we are to wait for any denomination?

Brothers and Sisters, the time is truly to short to wait on others to do the work that God has given to His people. Study quickly and tell it to all those around you. Tell the world; repent for the hour of His judgment is at hand.

Peace and Grace

David

Yes, SDA's can and will fulfill the prophecy of the 3AMs as recorded in Rev 14. The church may appear about to fall - but it will not. Although we have been in the almost fallen state for some time now, nevetheless, the church will do its appointed work. But not until after the shaking and sifting of Adventism.

6T 371
The Lord does not now work to bring many souls into the truth, because of the church members who have never been converted and those who were once converted but who have backslidden. What influence would these unconsecrated members have on new converts? Would they not make of no effect the God-given message which His people are to bear? {6T 370.3}

Ah, the fate of Laodicea....: But David, you mistake the meaning of the AV "I will spit you out". That traditional wording hides the actual meaning of "I feel that I am about to spit you out": the True Witness is made nauseous by our lukewarmness as a body, but doesn't actually throw up - thank God.

Laodicea means victory and the message to the angel of the church ends with "be zealous and repent" in the name of God's love. You agree that the angel is the leadership....The "any man" of the next verse doesn't give up on the leadership, it seeks an inspiring leader as well as laymembers who are seeking true warmth.

You openly promote the 1888 message...: the 1888 messengers held belief in the revival of the corporate 7th church, and so should we who uphold that message. The reformation of the 6th church links with the revival of 7th, but needs the 7th's revival to experience that reformation.

Don't give up on where we are now.