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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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11/30/03 06:34 PM
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Hi whitlie
You are right, the assumptions I had are not right and you and Mike have made good points. It not being about having it all but about how what one has is used. And I believe you are right, some day before the end God will send word to the Church as a whole agian.
Im still wondering though, for the entire time between the death of John the apostle and the calling of Ellen, did God really have nothing to say to the Church that was important enough to send a prophet to say it?
/Thomas
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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11/30/03 07:01 PM
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whitlie, You said: quote:
you are partially incorrect, concerning the implication of Mrs. White having all the light,then.
She makes it abundantly clear that new light is to come after her day. See Counsels to Writers and Editors 33-52. Further she went so far as to say another messenger would come after her.
Where did Ellen White say that another messenger would come after her?
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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12/01/03 12:24 AM
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Here is the quote:
The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, page 239, paragraph 1
I did not desire to definitely state these particulars in the conference for the delegates to garble and misconstrue; but I said enough in regard to what the Lord had been pleased to show me. I stated that I was a stock holder and I could not let the resolution pass, that there was to be special light for God's people as they neared the closing scenes of this earth's history. Another angel was to come from heaven with a message and the whole earth was to be lightened with his glory. It would be impossible for us to state just how this additional light would come. It might come in a very unexpected manner, in a way that would not agree with the ideas that many have conceived. It is not at all unlikely, or contrary to the ways and works of God to send light to His people in unexpected ways. Would it be right that every avenue should be closed in our school so that the students could not have the benefit of this light? the resolution was not called for.
Manuscript Releases Volume Thirteen, page 334, paragraph 2
I stated that I was a stockholder and I could not let the resolution pass, that there was to be special light for God's people as they neared the closing scenes of this earth's history. Another angel was to come from heaven with a message, and the whole earth was to be lightened with his glory. It would be impossible for us to state just how this additional light would come. It might come in a very unexpected manner, in a way that would not agree with the ideas that many have conceived. It is not at all unlikely, or contrary to the ways and works of God, to send light to His people in unexpected ways. Would it be right that every avenue should be closed in our school so that the students could not have the benefit of this light? The resolution was not called for .--Letter 22, 1889. White Estate Washington, D. C. May 17, 1984
The following quote clarifies who "another angel" is - the angel of Rev 18, not some new modern day prophet.
Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, October 20, 1904, paragraph 2
We see before us a special work to be done in the time when the whole earth shall be filled with the light and the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea. The prophecies in the eighteenth of Revelation will soon be fulfilled. During the proclamation of the third angel's message, "another angel" is to "come down from heaven, having great power;" and the earth is to be "lightened with the glory." The Spirit of the Lord will so graciously and universally bless consecrated human instrumentalities, that men, women, and children will open their lips in praise and testimony, filling the earth with the knowledge of God, and with his unsurpassed glory, as the waters cover the sea.
Revelation
18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
[ November 30, 2003, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: Mike Lowe ]
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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12/01/03 01:02 AM
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CW 35.1
New light will ever be revealed on the word of God to him who is in living connection with the Sun of Righteousness. Let no one come to the conclusion that there is no more truth to be revealed. The diligent, prayerful seeker for truth will find precious rays of light yet to shine forth from the word of God. Many gems are yet scattered that are to be gathered together to become the property of the remnant people of God.--Counsels on Sabbath School Work, p. 34. (1892.)
CW 45.2
God has not passed His people by, and chosen one solitary man here and another there as the only ones worthy to be entrusted with His truth. He does not give one man new light contrary to the established faith of the body. In every reform men have arisen making this claim. Paul warned the church in his day, "Of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." The greatest harm to God's people comes through those who go out from among them speaking perverse things. Through them the way of truth is evil spoken of.
CW 49.3
Satan hopes to involve the remnant people of God in the general ruin that is coming upon the earth. As the coming of Christ draws nigh, he will be more determined and decisive in his efforts to overthrow them. Men and women will arise professing to have some new light or some new revelation, whose tendency is to unsettle faith in the old landmarks. Their doctrines will not bear the test of God's word, yet souls will be deceived. False reports will be circulated, and some will be taken in this snare. They will believe these rumors, and in their turn will repeat them, and thus a link will be formed connecting them with the archdeceiver. This spirit will not always be manifested in an open defiance of the messages that God sends, but a settled unbelief is expressed in many ways. Every false statement that is made feeds and strengthens this unbelief, and through this means many souls will be balanced in the wrong direction.-- Testimonies, Vol. 5, pp. 295, 296. (1885.)
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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12/01/03 05:03 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike Lowe:
The following quote clarifies who "another angel" is - the angel of Rev 18, not some new modern day prophet.
Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, October 20, 1904, paragraph 2
We see before us a special work to be done in the time when the whole earth shall be filled with the light and the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea. The prophecies in the eighteenth of Revelation will soon be fulfilled. During the proclamation of the third angel's message, "another angel" is to "come down from heaven, having great power;" and the earth is to be "lightened with the glory." The Spirit of the Lord will so graciously and universally bless consecrated human instrumentalities, that men, women, and children will open their lips in praise and testimony, filling the earth with the knowledge of God, and with his unsurpassed glory, as the waters cover the sea.
Revelation
18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
I dont know if it is just me who understood it like this, this "another angle" will not be or cause one modern day prophet to arrise but many of every age and gender. Of course, if you see Ellen as the last of the prophets, this could be worse than God sending just one prophet after her. Also, this description sounds very close to what I read the baptism of the Holy Spirit to be like. It almost seems there will be a day when adventists will not only the people of the book or the people of the sabbath but the people with the Holy Spirit.
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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12/02/03 04:31 AM
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The message of the angel of Rev 18 calls people out of Babylon just before probation closes, just before the plagues are poured out. It's a message that warns people against receiving the mark of the beast.
"The three angels' messages are to be combined, giving their threefold light to the world. In the Revelation, John says, "I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory."... This represents the giving of the last and threefold message of warning to the world. {Mar 173.4}
"Revelation 18 points to the time when, as the result of rejecting the threefold warning of Revelation 14:6-12, the church will have fully reached the condition foretold by the second angel, and the people of God still in Babylon will be called upon to separate from her communion. This message is the last that will ever be given to the world; and it will accomplish its work. When those that "believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thessalonians 2:12), shall be left to receive strong delusion and to believe a lie, then the light of truth will shine upon all whose hearts are open to receive it, and all the children of the Lord that remain in Babylon will heed the call: "Come out of her, my people" (Revelation 18:4). {Mar 173.5}
"At the commencement of the time of trouble, we were filled with the Holy Ghost as we went forth and proclaimed the Sabbath more fully. {Mar 170.1}
"The commencement of that time of trouble," here mentioned, does not refer to the time when the plagues shall begin to be poured out, but to a short period just before they are poured out, while Christ is in the sanctuary. At that time, while the work of salvation is closing, trouble will be coming on the earth, and the nations will be angry, yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel. At that time the "latter rain," or refreshing from the presence of the Lord, will come, to give power to the loud voice of the third angel, and prepare the saints to stand in the period when the seven last plagues shall be poured out. {Mar 170.2}
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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01/25/04 10:14 PM
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Thomas, more than once I’ve been meaning post here. Better late than never. ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif) Here is what the son of Ellen White said regarding the spirit or gift of prophecy and in regard to the other gifts of the Spirit as well. This was written and published while Ellen White was still alive in J Edson White’s book ‘Past, Present and Future’. He agrees with your last post. His statement below regarding the cause of the present dearth of the gifts in the church is accurate and poignant I think. quote:
Is it then too much to say that the church, to be perfect, must have in lively exercise the gifts of the Spirit of God? And is not the church, so long as she is lacking in these gifts, disqualified to just that degree for the work committed to her? Candor admits of but one answer to this question.
Certainly the church with Christ as its head, ought to be in a position to have fulfilled through her members the words of her Lord, “He that believeth on Me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto My Father.” John 14:12.
But it may be asked, “Why are the various manifestations of miraculous power not more frequently seen in the church, if indeed it is true that the gifts were given for all time?” The answer is not far to seek. Mark tells us that the apostles ‘went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following.’ Mark 16:20.
Observe that the Lord confirmed “the word with signs following.” Then only as the word is preached can we expect to see the signs. Therefore, just in proportion as the church departed from the primitive simplicity of the gospel, were the gifts gradually withdrawn. J Edson white, Past, Present and Future, pages 355 and 356.
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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01/26/04 12:00 AM
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Good points Mark. On a related note, the Bible tells us that God sends prophets to His people when they're keeping His law; and that when they depart from it, He stops sending prophets.
"Her gates are sunk into the ground; He hath destroyed and broken her bars: her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the Lord." Lamentations 2:9
"Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients." Ezekiel 7:26
"Son of man, speak unto the elders of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Are ye come to enquire of Me? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will not be enquired of by you. . . .
...the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness: they walked not in My statutes, and they despised My judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and My sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out My fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them. . . .
Wherefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Are ye polluted after the manner of your fathers? and commit ye whoredom after their abominations?
For when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves with all your idols, even unto this day: and shall I be enquired of by you, O house of Israel? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will not be enquired of by you." Ezekiel 20:3,13,30,31
"Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he." Proverbs 29:18
It's no coincidence that God sent Ellen White to a movement that was making an effort to restore obedience to His law, including the long-neglected 4th commandment.
[edit - added verse to Ezek. 20 passage, corrected error in chapter number]
[ January 26, 2004, 03:38 AM: Message edited by: John ]
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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01/26/04 02:12 PM
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Hi Mark & John
Thanks for the quotes provided. It would follow from them that a person who does Gods will would experience the power of God in their lives and in the lives of them who they pray for. I had thought to make the question of why so few adventists seem to have this power, but then realised that they may be many indeed but unknown for most others. May God give me the strength to be one of them.
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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01/27/04 08:36 AM
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Amen Thomas. Let's all pray for each other. BTW, I've appreciated your signiture text from Psalm 13 ever since I first noticed it. It's one of those 'great and precious promises,' isn't it.
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